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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #60 on: July 03, 2018, 04:04:14 PM »
"In my opinion" (covering my (No Swearing Please) here) I do agree that if an umpire is paid to do a job then it is for him to make the decisions, if he's not paid and volunteering then hopefully both teams will respect the situation and act accordingly. I understand why people would get frustrated but i'd rather see a few dodgy decisions go for either team over the course of the season just to give the game a bit of something, I have been on the end of a few bad decisions whilst bowling and i certainly don't get frustrated if a batsman doesn't walk as they usually know they were out and it plays on their mind enough for them to give you another chance.

But as i said its just my opinion on the cricket i play....
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #61 on: July 03, 2018, 04:11:23 PM »
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #62 on: July 03, 2018, 04:17:45 PM »
Quote from: northernboy1987 on July 03, 2018, 03:48:03 PM
I'd walk every time if I knew I'd hit it regardless of what was on the line, would play on my mind for ages otherwise. I get it if other people don't want to walk, that's their prerogative but I always walk.

I think that's the key point in all this - can you live with the decision yourself?

Me personally I couldn't and if I feather behind and someone catches it I'm on my way. I did the same as @Gurujames once a long time ago where I definitely nicked it and didn't walk only to be given not out - I felt terrible for the rest of the game and haven't done it since.

I'm not sure what it says about the morals of people who are happy to get away with it knowing full well they're essentially cheating, and I don't buy this 'it evens itself up over time leave it to the umpire' stuff. In club cricket there's no excuse for it whatsoever in my opinion.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #63 on: July 03, 2018, 04:30:20 PM »
Walking is not against the rules of cricket. So perhaps people should think of it not as cheating but as not being proactively honest ? Something that each individual can make a judgement call on whether they choose to engage in or not.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #64 on: July 03, 2018, 04:43:05 PM »
I am interested to know from all the guys on here that have said they are 'walkers'.

If you hit it and no one appeals... ie. You are the only one who knows... No one has a clue etc... Do you still walk off.... to everyone's surprise??
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #65 on: July 03, 2018, 04:44:56 PM »
Quote from: Biggie Smalls on July 03, 2018, 04:30:20 PM
Walking is not against the rules of cricket. So perhaps people should think of it not as cheating but as not being proactively honest ? Something that each individual can make a judgement call on whether they choose to engage in or not.

That's a good way of describing it.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #66 on: July 03, 2018, 05:10:52 PM »
It's the individual's decision to walk or not, I'm fine with that when umpires are appointed. However, if said appointed umpire gives you out to a shocker you can't then moan about it. If you're happy to put the ball in their court with decisions, then you have to take the rough with the smooth.

When it's team mates umpiring then you should always walk, it's just not fair to put them in that position.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #67 on: July 03, 2018, 05:51:10 PM »
Personally i see no difference at all between not walking when you know you have hit it and claiming a catch you know has bounced.  Both are cheating in my book
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #68 on: July 03, 2018, 05:55:48 PM »
If you are a walker, you surely don't wait to see what the umpire has given. You hit it, see the catch and immediately walk towards the changing room, just like when you're bowled. Maybe a glance back to see if you have been given, out of curiosity.

A few umpires in our league wait for a few seconds to allow the batsman to walk. It gave me a nervous moment when I got a clear stumping!

I don't agree with the paid umpires argument. They aren't perfect, so honest cricketers help them. If the ball goes for 6 and it is tight, fielders usually let them know. If a catch falls short the fielder lets them know. I'm surprised it isn't more common in international cricket with DRS and media attention. Gilchrist is one of my favourite cricketers because he was so honest. I do love Athers too though.

If I didn't walk in a tight situation to win a cup or league, it would spoil it for me. I don't want to win like that. It isn't that important.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #69 on: July 03, 2018, 06:00:17 PM »
do bowlers appeal for LBWs when they know there was as inside edge on to the pad? do fielders appeal for caught behind when the batsman misses it? yes.. so why is walking any different? its the umpires job to accept/reject appeals - nobody should walk, unless its a social game, where teams are self-umpiring.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #70 on: July 03, 2018, 06:01:05 PM »
But Gilchrist admitted his policy was subject to situational variance...
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #71 on: July 03, 2018, 06:02:37 PM »
Different question for the ardent walkers:
1. You nick one. It looks really unclear whether it carried. The fielder claims it. You?
2. Your side get an LBW. The batsman walks off muttering that he hit it. You are captain...
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #72 on: July 03, 2018, 06:21:17 PM »
Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on July 03, 2018, 02:35:38 PM
It's all well and good sitting behind a keyboard taking the moral high ground, but it's not always so clear cut is it?

Here's a scenario for you:
It's the last game of the season. The winner gets promoted while the loser misses out. You are butting in a run chase, and with 3 needed you feather one down the leg side. The umpire gives it not out, thinking it came off your thigh pad.
Do you walk and cost your side promotion or carry on batting?

Yes you walk otherwise you’re cheating to win.
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #73 on: July 03, 2018, 06:24:41 PM »
Quote from: six and out on July 03, 2018, 04:43:05 PM
I am interested to know from all the guys on here that have said they are 'walkers'.

If you hit it and no one appeals... ie. You are the only one who knows... No one has a clue etc... Do you still walk off.... to everyone's surprise??

Yes
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Re: And we wonder why kids don't want to play
« Reply #74 on: July 03, 2018, 06:28:21 PM »
Quote from: brokenbat on July 03, 2018, 06:00:17 PM
do bowlers appeal for LBWs when they know there was as inside edge on to the pad? do fielders appeal for caught behind when the batsman misses it? yes.. so why is walking any different? its the umpires job to accept/reject appeals - nobody should walk, unless its a social game, where teams are self-umpiring.

Unless you’re playing professional Cricket it’s a social game.. that’s kind of what’s amusing.. people see, to treat social Saturday’s as some form of excuse to pretend being competitive is to abuse and cheat to win. How about just play Cricket and if you’re better on the day you’ll win.. if not, you’ll lose.. at the end of the day all 22plauers are there as a hobby.. not to have someone they don’t know abuse them or cheat because they pretend they are some how more up for it. Or more competitive.
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