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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1470 on: September 07, 2018, 11:00:56 AM »

30 odd for no loss? What?
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1471 on: September 07, 2018, 11:02:43 AM »

Vihari is on already?

Almost as if to prove a point around his selection!
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1472 on: September 07, 2018, 11:42:25 AM »

Soft dismissal that Keaton
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1473 on: September 07, 2018, 11:48:52 AM »

Ridiculous
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1474 on: September 07, 2018, 12:03:51 PM »

Cook looks like he's going to get 100
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1475 on: September 07, 2018, 01:06:48 PM »

Who gonna win the 5th and last test match of the series between Eng and Ind?
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1476 on: September 07, 2018, 01:16:42 PM »

However, you could get two years out of them - and if they've earned their spot with Championship performances, and likely have soft skills gained through experience you're all the better for it.  I agree that if you've a 22 yo whom is in excellent form then they should be given the opportunity to play, but also if you've a 32 yo whom is in even better form and has put in the hard yards in first class cricket that they should be picked ahead of them.

I look at international cricket as the pinnacle of the sport, and that your best players should be selected, regardless of age.  Shouldn't be attempting to let players learn the game in Test cricket.  Also, one issue we've had with Root and Cook is the lack of captaincy experience - if the path to the England team is more hard fought, then they're likely to have captaincy experience, and if not certainly far greater tactical nous.

This. You want to win at any sport, you pick your best players.
Age is a secondary concern, unles you have two players of equal ability.
To turn a well-worn phrase on its head, if they're good enough, they're young enough.

Guys in their late 20s and early 30s are at the peak of their powers.
It's that perfect middle of a Venn diagram where honed experience & technique intersect with the physicality & reactions needed to play at that level.

You may only get 2-3 years out of them, but you'll stand more chance of winning every game than if you had a promising 20-year old.

Instead, let that promising 20-year old learn their game in First Class cricket, and earn their place in the Test team on ability. Not on a promise.

Take Ian Bell. If he's back in form and the best in the country, get him in. Worry about a replacement until he isn't.

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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1477 on: September 07, 2018, 02:01:24 PM »

50 up for Chef. Batted son
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1478 on: September 07, 2018, 02:20:54 PM »

This. You want to win at any sport, you pick your best players.
Age is a secondary concern, unles you have two players of equal ability.
To turn a well-worn phrase on its head, if they're good enough, they're young enough.

Guys in their late 20s and early 30s are at the peak of their powers.
It's that perfect middle of a Venn diagram where honed experience & technique intersect with the physicality & reactions needed to play at that level.

You may only get 2-3 years out of them, but you'll stand more chance of winning every game than if you had a promising 20-year old.

Instead, let that promising 20-year old learn their game in First Class cricket, and earn their place in the Test team on ability. Not on a promise.

Take Ian Bell. If he's back in form and the best in the country, get him in. Worry about a replacement until he isn't.

Completely agree, and as you say 'on a promise' is interesting, do those players have the mentality to withstand failure (they've likely not encountered it yet in the county game)?  Cricketing experience and technique that is honed in first class cricket is important, but equally important is the mental side of the game.  There's far too much talk of the future, pick your best players now, win games now, and when the future becomes the present, take the same approach.

One other thing I would say, is that if you have some promising players you think could be in with a shout of playing for the Test team in a few years, combine them into a team with an experienced captain, Collingwood or Mullaney say, and play them against the tourists.  Gives them a decent warm up game rather than the rubbish standard they usually face these days, and gives the younger players an extra chance against top players.  Or actually just get the Lions to play them.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1479 on: September 07, 2018, 02:25:55 PM »

Moeen batting like a number 3.
With plenty of luck played and missed quite a few times
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1480 on: September 07, 2018, 03:25:03 PM »

England number 3's average and balls faced per innings over the last 3 years:

Root - 43 from 70 balls (35 from 66 in the last 2 years)
Compton - 25 from 61
Vince - 31 from 63
Bell - 31 from 99
Westley - 24 from 50
Ballance - 21 from 43



So with that in mind, 28 from 115 is well above average in terms of being a solid #3. Root couldn't have asked for much more from Cook and Moeen given the way the Indian seamers have bowled today.
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1481 on: September 07, 2018, 03:25:59 PM »

Oh, Alastair  :(
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1482 on: September 07, 2018, 03:26:14 PM »

ooooooh, outside the line?
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1483 on: September 07, 2018, 03:27:18 PM »

Send Root back to #3
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Re: England Vs India Test Matches
« Reply #1484 on: September 07, 2018, 03:27:59 PM »

Sigh
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