Topic: Changes to cricket games that you think would encourage more participation (Read 20750 times)

SLA · « **Reply #45 on:** July 11, 2018, 03:42:26 PM »

Quote from: DorsetDan on July 11, 2018, 03:18:35 PM

What this also goes to highlight is variation in rules in cricket. Heaven forbid everyone actually plays the same game across the country like ever other sport

TBF most sports have different versions, there are 5-aside vs 11-aside football and sometimes the rules are slightly different

SD · « **Reply #46 on:** July 11, 2018, 03:52:20 PM »

The obvious ones for me are:

Earlier start times resulting in earlier finishes

Penalties for slow over rates

A quick turn around with no break for food

More T20 leagues for those unable to commit to giving up a whole day to play

SD · « **Reply #47 on:** July 11, 2018, 03:54:47 PM »

Another way of speeding up the game in corporate games is to bowl all the overs from one end. Not sure where the idea of bowling overs from alternate ends came in but a good deal of time is spend with the fielders switching ends after each over

richthekeeper · « **Reply #48 on:** July 11, 2018, 03:55:22 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on July 11, 2018, 03:04:24 PM

We were short on umpires last year. The league made a rule that each club would provide a number of leg umpires for (leg umpire) training, this is mandatory (compulsory). Now, this year, we have one regular umpire standing at the non-striker end and a leg umpire who belong to a neutral club officiating the game. This has alleviated the problem of umpire shortage.

so the leg umpire doesn't get to play that day because he's stood at square leg at another game for 80 overs?!

SLA · « **Reply #49 on:** July 11, 2018, 04:00:07 PM »

Quote from: SD on July 11, 2018, 03:54:47 PM

Another way of speeding up the game in corporate games is to bowl all the overs from one end. Not sure where the idea of bowling overs from alternate ends came in but a good deal of time is spend with the fielders switching ends after each over

Hmmm... I think too much strategic nuance would be lost. Half the tactical battle is working out how to deal with/take advantage of different boundaries sizes, slopes, wind directions etc.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #50 on:** July 11, 2018, 04:01:50 PM »

Quote from: richthekeeper on July 11, 2018, 03:55:22 PM

so the leg umpire doesn't get to play that day because he's stood at square leg at another game for 80 overs?!

Matches are held on both Saturday and Sunday. I have not heard of any complaints from leg umps re: missing games. Also, the regular umpires also play but in different divisions so technically the system accommodates umpiring duties and match availability.

HallamKeeper · « **Reply #51 on:** July 11, 2018, 04:19:54 PM »

Quote from: smilley792 on July 11, 2018, 02:54:51 PM

The game against us was a freak occurrence, and we only both ended up with such huge points as the game was technically incomplete(you never finished your innings)

If you was 9 runs short with 1 wicket left on a full game. You�d have only got 8 bonus points and we�d have took 20 for the win.

Normal game is 20 for win if you don�t bowl oppo out, 25 for winning if you do bowl them out.

Dependant on what the losing side do in the second innings depends on what bonus points they get. The closer percentage wise they get to first innings score the more points they get(encourages teams to not block and keep trying to score runs).
The more wickets they take the more bonus points they get, so even if the oppo need ten of 20 overs, you�ll still try to get a wicket or two more to up your points.

They also have a rule to stop opposition blocking up, if the oppo don�t get 50% of the first innings score, they get nothing and the winning side get the extra 5 bowling points even if they don�t bowl them out.

Regardless you should have won. Your openers innings was the best I�ve seen in a long time. Shame he didn�t get a ton.

Sorry, I forgot to mention that it was an incomplete game. I still can't believe we didn't go for it. I doubt we will ever get a chance to beat you again!!

I hate it when I go in at 8 or 9 and someone tells me I have to bat sensibly to get another 20 runs. Everyone else gets to bat how they want but then you have to bore yourself to get a few points in a league where the top teams have 300 plus points at the end of the season.

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #52 on:** July 11, 2018, 04:21:17 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on July 11, 2018, 04:01:50 PM

Matches are held on both Saturday and Sunday. I have not heard of any complaints from leg umps re: missing games. Also, the regular umpires also play but in different divisions so technically the system accommodates umpiring duties and match availability.

We have enough issues getting sides out one day a week.
There's no way we'd be able to get people give up half their weekend to stand at square leg for 80 overs in a game they have no connection to!

SLA · « **Reply #53 on:** July 11, 2018, 04:40:09 PM »

Quote from: DorsetDan on July 11, 2018, 04:04:27 PM

You don't need a PhD to try and work out what you are playing for or if you can be arsed to play on a given day switching 11 to 5 football. That analogy is more akin to 50 vs 20 over cricket. The million permutations of rules, restrictions, bonus points, overs, overs per bowler, etc, etc between "one day" amateur leagues and matches is quite unique

As long as the skipper understands, the players can be safely oblivious. I've gone out to field before now not knowing how many overs I was going to be out there for.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #54 on:** July 11, 2018, 05:05:03 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on July 11, 2018, 04:21:17 PM

We have enough issues getting sides out one day a week.
There's no way we'd be able to get people give up half their weekend to stand at square leg for 80 overs in a game they have no connection to!

That is unfortunate.

I have an ex-club mate who plays in a higher division and I see him ump in 2-3 of my games every season. There is no cricket here and people do this for the love of the game. Basically, we accept that we won't have any cricket if people don't make some sacrifices and the leg umpire policy spreads out the burden across all clubs in the league.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #55 on:** July 11, 2018, 05:29:36 PM »

Quote from: richthekeeper on July 11, 2018, 10:25:32 AM

Also I agree with @mattw on the 2xT20 format.

We played this in an inter-club friendly last season and will do again this year. It�s a fantastic format which brings the excitement of a T20 with the tactics of a test match. Rather than playing two separate games we just play a two innings game of 20 overs per side. It�s absolutely brilliant and as a batsman you get to have two goes

We play that format in the 2020 county cup final and none of our team like it. One bad innings either way still decides it so usually the second dig is a formality for one team or another.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #56 on:** July 11, 2018, 05:52:12 PM »

Quote from: HallamKeeper on July 11, 2018, 12:28:12 PM

I suppose it depends on the level you play at. You rarely see a score over 230 in our league. 230 is daunting and we would always have a go and then when we get to 7 or 8 down people start working out how many for an extra point and the game dies. The bowling team know they have won but need all wickets for full points and the batsmen shut up shop and try to eek out another 10 or 20 runs for another point. It is boring to watch and boring to do.

The other thing is that a team could score 300 and the opposition knowing they won't get it start batting like they are saving a test to earn a few points and deny full points to a team who are clearly better. In two games one team could score 350 runs and their opponents could finish on 130/8. In another match a team could get 120 runs and bowl their opposition out for 119. The winners of the second match get 20% more points that the winners of the first. Which game has the most comprehensive victory?

Maybe it is just me but I would prefer to end a game quickly if you are getting a hiding. Not many people playing a game of football 8-0 down want to play the last 10 minutes.

If you can�t TAKE ten wickets you�re not �obviously better�.. you just batted better.. this is the funny thing with win lose.. it�s gone from being a bat and bowling all round team to simply �if we smash 300+ more often and not the oppos will more often than not fail to chase so we are obviously better�.. if you allow a team to decide �actually, we aren�t good enough to get 300 but you�re also mot good enough to take my wicket�.. actually, both sides deserve the draw

After all.. it�s all fun if you�re the team who slaps runs for fun . It�s not fun if a team racks up a monster score but you know they aren�t good enough to take your wicket..simply rely on you giving it away slogging.. that�s also just as Boring..

This �have a bit of fun, hit out� isn�t what some players play for so it�s not fun to go out hitting . The game is there so all types of players have a role.. what we have now is a generation who want to have a format purely for one style of player then we wonder why people are walking away

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #57 on:** July 11, 2018, 06:11:08 PM »

I�d have two league structures on a saturday

1
2020 pyramid system , starting in local areas and generally ending in counties. Then maybe have a regional knockout in Aug/sept for higher quality and longer travel. Use coloured kit etc etc

2) top 5 div of a system will be 50 over Cricket. No �draw� in the traditional sence as people don�t like the word draw.. however, I�d balance the bonus points so you have to TAKE wickets to win as many points as simply battering a side. Remove defensive economy bowling which is what the current win lose promotes.

So you get 5 pts for scoring more runs
1 point per 2 wickets taken
Bonus 5 for taking 10 wickets
Not losing all your wickets batting first 0 pts
Not losing all your wickets second dig, 1pt per wicket

This would mean there is more reward for taking wickets than mashing runs. Add in a few bonus pts for skittling a team for say 120 or less and maybe a bonus for declaring and then winning (say bonus 5 for each).. oppos get any unused overs

Min 5 Bowlers to be used with min 7 overs per bowler ..

No tea break, 10min turnaround
Over rates of say 17 overs an hour (one umpire per game, club umpire or player at square leg to spread more neutral umpires) .. punish with big run penalties and capt bans for offending

Zero tolerance on sledging .. it�s more of a turn off than benefit now so get rid. You wouldn�t say that abuse to my face at work so why at a hobby.. get reported.. ban.. repeat offence .. double.. keep going until you learn

Zero tolerance on abuse towards umpires.. instant 10 game ban for anything said at , to or about the umpire.

Sledging in this would be anything, at, to or about the batsmen or their team. Keep it about your own team only.

Start at 11 and finish about 1730 give or take

Lower than 5 divs.. 40over Cricket but same pts.. bowler parts down to 6 overs min

t2ylo · « **Reply #58 on:** July 11, 2018, 06:19:14 PM »

Free to air cricket - surely India series this summer is a 'crown jewel' event - people can't play what they don't see

ECB to instruct top down structure not wait for leagues to reform & restructure.

edge · « **Reply #59 on:** July 12, 2018, 06:24:26 AM »

Spreading umpires out is a good idea if maybe not one that would help participation - playing with no neutral umpires does my head in at times. Would be a big improvement to a league to have more games covered.

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