Topic: Chris King (GN) article (Read 11648 times)

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #30 on:** July 29, 2018, 09:01:14 AM »

I. Think the article is saying generally modern bats don't need as much knocking in to bring them to their trampoline effect as they are pressed in such a way that the bat fibres are pushed together and the bats are close to there peak and the bat fibres will begin to separate before a ball hits the bat where as bats used to be pressed in a way that required knocking in playing in to compress the blade fibres prior to delamination beginning

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #31 on:** July 29, 2018, 11:01:25 AM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on July 29, 2018, 09:01:14 AM

I. Think the article is saying generally modern bats don't need as much knocking in to bring them to their trampoline effect as they are pressed in such a way that the bat fibres are pushed together and the bats are close to there peak and the bat fibres will begin to separate before a ball hits the bat where as bats used to be pressed in a way that required knocking in playing in to compress the blade fibres prior to delamination beginning

and thats still a load of guff...if anything bats nowadays require more knocking in because they are softly pressed because many people don't understand the concept of pressed to perform and everyone asks for a "SOFT" bat.

JK Lewis · « **Reply #32 on:** July 29, 2018, 11:30:02 AM »

It seems unlikely that any pro, handed 5 bats or whatever for free, would have the time or the inclination to knock them all in. So - in my opinion - it's safe to assume that they 'ping from the get-go'. For the rest of us, the main questions are how much time do I have spare for knocking in, and how long do I want a bat to last for? For me personally, I have no time for knocking in, never have. I am happy to get a new bat settled in nets, with used balls. Seems to work OK. But then, I'm not at all concerned about dents and cracks on the face and edges, for me these are badges of honour. I like my bat to look worn, I like marks, I like adding a bit of tape. I like a bat that I can study after a long inning and remember how certain marks were made. I also strongly believe that a worn, cracked bat is better for taking the shine off the ball, which is my job after all.

The only exception I make at first is the toe. I do knock the toe in for a few minutes, hitting hard with a mallet. Digging out pacey, new ball yorkers is a bat breaker, so worth trying to guard against. But you know, stuff happens, and if I need to buy or make a new bat each year, that's fine with me.

SD · « **Reply #33 on:** July 29, 2018, 12:45:38 PM »

Pros have the benefit of hours with of throw down and net practice a week in which they can play in new bats so could achieve in under a week what could take me months with a mallet in my free time. I have never had a bat across all grades and all manufacturers that performed at its based straight out of the box

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #34 on:** July 29, 2018, 05:22:41 PM »

Quote from: LEACHY48 on July 29, 2018, 11:01:25 AM

and thats still a load of guff...if anything bats nowadays require more knocking in because they are softly pressed because many people don't understand the concept of pressed to perform and everyone asks for a "SOFT" bat.

Or maybe softer pressed so that bat fibres uncurl quicker allowing a faster trampoline effect.

Novak · « **Reply #35 on:** July 29, 2018, 05:27:03 PM »

Quick question there is something I read about grains Vs more grains

True or false 5 grains bat is a younger bat then a 12 grain bat ?

I think that's true ?

How does that effect the bat ? If at all ? Does a younger bat take longer to open up ?

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #36 on:** July 29, 2018, 05:57:29 PM »

True the less grains there is the younger the tree generally the fewer the grains the longer the bat takes to reach its potential

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 29, 2018, 06:17:31 PM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on July 29, 2018, 05:22:41 PM

Or maybe softer pressed so that bat fibres uncurl quicker allowing a faster trampoline effect.

That just isn�t what happens, if you�ve ever had an under pressed bat, you�d quickly realise this is BS. If a bat is under pressed it does not perform. Simple as. Nothing about the fibres uncurling allowing faster response thats utter tosh.

Novak · « **Reply #38 on:** July 29, 2018, 07:07:16 PM »

Explains a lot about my tKs they are fairly young

JK Lewis · « **Reply #39 on:** July 29, 2018, 09:56:10 PM »

Quote from: Novak on July 29, 2018, 05:27:03 PM

Quick question there is something I read about grains Vs more grains

True or false 5 grains bat is a younger bat then a 12 grain bat ?

I think that's true ?

How does that effect the bat ? If at all ? Does a younger bat take longer to open up ?

The 5 grains on a 5 grain bat are the same age as the 5 grains on one side of a 12 grain bat. This is easiest to understand if the 12 grain bat has heartwood along one edge. In that case, the 'red' edge is the older wood, from closer to the centre of the tree. The 5 grains that count in from the 'white' edge - the sapwood - are the 5 years of most recent growth. So, the average age of the wood of a 5 grain bat is less than the average age of the wood of a 12 grain bat. But the outside 5 grains are the same age.

leatherseat · « **Reply #40 on:** July 30, 2018, 07:15:18 AM »

Quote from: Seniorplayer on July 29, 2018, 05:57:29 PM

True the less grains there is the younger the tree generally the fewer the grains the longer the bat takes to reach its potenial

E ach grain represents a year of growth. If a bat has 5 grains - the wood has grown more quickly than a blade say 15 grains.

Biggie Smalls · « **Reply #41 on:** July 30, 2018, 07:59:02 AM »

Quote from: JK Lewis on July 29, 2018, 09:56:10 PM

The 5 grains on a 5 grain bat are the same age as the 5 grains on one side of a 12 grain bat. This is easiest to understand if the 12 grain bat has heartwood along one edge. In that case, the 'red' edge is the older wood, from closer to the centre of the tree. The 5 grains that count in from the 'white' edge - the sapwood - are the 5 years of most recent growth. So, the average age of the wood of a 5 grain bat is less than the average age of the wood of a 12 grain bat. But the outside 5 grains are the same

Great explanation.

I always knew a bat that has twelve grains is twelve years old and older than a 5 grain/5 year old bat . I know red wood is older wood , closer to the centre . I know that on a 5 grain bat those grains have grown quicker than that on a 12 grain bat .
Yet , i was overlooking the simple extension of this logic .....not all the bat is the same age . A 12 grain bat with heartwood would have 2 edges that are substantially different in age . Cant believe i never thought of it that way before.
I'm not stupid (i promise) but sometimes my brain overlooks some obvious , logical things.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #42 on:** July 30, 2018, 08:04:15 AM »

Quote from: LEACHY48 on July 29, 2018, 06:17:31 PM

That just isn�t what happens, if you�ve ever had an under pressed bat, you�d quickly realise this is BS. If a bat is under pressed it does not perform. Simple as. Nothing about the fibres uncurling allowing faster response thats utter tosh.

Yes if it's underpressed what the article is stating is you no longer need to bring modern bats to there peak in the nets like Cook does and feel the bat fibres uncurl ( delaminate).

JK Lewis · « **Reply #43 on:** July 30, 2018, 03:03:04 PM »

Great explanation.

I always knew a bat that has twelve grains is twelve years old and older than a 5 grain/5 year old bat . I know red wood is older wood , closer to the centre . I know that on a 5 grain bat those grains have grown quicker than that on a 12 grain bat .
Yet , i was overlooking the simple extension of this logic .....not all the bat is the same age . A 12 grain bat with heartwood would have 2 edges that are substantially different in age . Cant believe i never thought of it that way before.
I'm not stupid (i promise) but sometimes my brain overlooks some obvious , logical things.
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Mate you're not stupid at all! It's just important to think of a tree growing in increasingly wider circles, rather than thinking of a bat face as a 2 dimensional space.

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #44 on:** July 30, 2018, 03:44:02 PM »

2 edges different in age where's there pink Sapwood ( heartwood ) never thought to discribe it like that or heard it discribed that way

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