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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2018, 04:06:09 PM »

It is the lifespan of a modern bat that stands out the most for me.  I was watching an interview recently with Mike Brearley and he spoke of an occasion when he lent his bat to Dennis Compton for a social fixture and being worried in case Compton damaged it as it was the only bat that he owned. I don't know many amateur batsmen who only have one bat, let alone a first class player.

Really? I don't know anyone who has more than 1 bat, unless the 2nd one is a £20 job from sports direct that they just keep in the garage to play with the kids. But on the other hand, I know lots of cricketers who don't own a bat but just use the club bat.
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2018, 04:51:03 PM »

I don't know any clubs that have club bats
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2018, 05:18:31 PM »

I can't remember my Club having senior club bats.  We used to have them for junior players, but donated most of them to the Lord's Taverners as they were unused as all the kids were turning up with their own kit as soon as they progressed to hard ball cricket.  Now it is only the blue plastic bats for the very young kids that we have.

At senior level the most bats I have seen one player turn up to a game with is the 5 that our opening bowler was hauling around in his kit bag at one time but most of the batsmen will carry one spare to games
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2018, 07:03:43 PM »

2 edges different in age where's there pink Sapwood (  heartwood ) never thought to discribe it like that or heard it discribed that way

The edges are different ages in all bats, not just where there is heartwood. It's just easier to explain when you can distinguish which is the older edge and which is the younger.
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2018, 07:24:43 PM »

Not a top quality drawing :) , but the best way I can represent this at short notice. Clefts cut from faster growing trees have fewer grains, and those cut from slower growing trees have more grains. But, the actual ages of the outside grains on all trees are the same.

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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2018, 08:01:32 PM »

Thanks that is very helpful.

Since we are on this topic, why is it that people always look for 'grains running straight through the toe'? What does that imply?
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2018, 08:34:38 PM »

Thanks that is very helpful.

Since we are on this topic, why is it that people always look for 'grains running straight through the toe'? What does that imply?

I think that the feeling generally is that there is strength in straightness. To get straight grains through the bat, across the width of the bat from face to back, the tree has to have reached a level of maturity. However quickly or slowly it has grown, it must have reached a circumference of at least 52-54 inches (around 140cm). If the grains curve from the face to back of the bat, then the cleft has either been cut from an immature tree, or has simply been incorrectly cut.

If you look at my drawings again, imagine the clefts I've drawn in red being positioned to the left of the position I've shown, closer to the core of the tree. In that case, the rings of the tree are much tighter, which would mean the grains on the bat curving from face to back. The core of the tree, known as the pith, is definitely to be avoided for batmaking, as it might literally fall out. Alternatively, imagine the clefts I have drawn being turned clockwise through 45 degress. Again, the grains would curve from face to back, this time because the cleft was cut incorrectly.

So, straight grain from face to back is a good indicator of a tree grown to maturity, gives security (to some extent) that the willow is OK and that whoever cut the cleft knows what they are doing.
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2018, 09:03:16 PM »

Usually indicates top end bat If the grains at he shoulder   through the toe front and back of the bat  plus profiles are the same .
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2018, 09:16:39 PM »

Really? I don't know anyone who has more than 1 bat, unless the 2nd one is a £20 job from sports direct that they just keep in the garage to play with the kids. But on the other hand, I know lots of cricketers who don't own a bat but just use the club bat.

I don't know of any clubs with any SH club bats.
In fact I don't know anyone who plays, even sporadically, wgot doesn't own all their own kit. I do know loads of cricketers who own and carry multiple bats though, so I assume that's the norm
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #54 on: July 31, 2018, 09:35:00 AM »

Really? I don't know anyone who has more than 1 bat, unless the 2nd one is a £20 job from sports direct that they just keep in the garage to play with the kids. But on the other hand, I know lots of cricketers who don't own a bat but just use the club bat.

SLA is playing a different game to the rest of us again?

Of the 11 that I played with on Saturday... 9 had at least two bats in their bag!
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2018, 11:52:46 AM »

I don't know of any clubs with any SH club bats.
In fact I don't know anyone who plays, even sporadically, wgot doesn't own all their own kit. I do know loads of cricketers who own and carry multiple bats though, so I assume that's the norm

Either you don't know many cricketers, or the area you live in is incredibly rich. Do you also not know anyone who doesn't own multiple porsches?

Do all you guys live in Surrey and earn 6 figures salaries or something? The rest of the country is not like that. A lot of people simply cannot afford to own their own cricket kit, let alone buy multiple bats all of which cost three figure sums.
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2018, 11:55:44 AM »

We have had a t20 midweek team spend £500 on two bats for there team and another club spent £270 on a bat, and then bought a set of pads and 3 pairs of gloves for there team kit.

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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #57 on: July 31, 2018, 11:59:53 AM »

We have had a t20 midweek team spend £500 on two bats for there team and another club spent £270 on a bat, and then bought a set of pads and 3 pairs of gloves for there team kit.

lol. Our annual club equipment budget is £200. £80 is about the budget for a new bat - for which you can quite often get something decent in September/October.

This forum is genuinely like visiting a yachting forum where none of the members can conceive how anyone could possibly not own a superyacht. "Surely most people own at least 2 superyachts? I think that poster that claims that there are people who hire boats for the afternoon must be making it up"
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #58 on: July 31, 2018, 12:02:05 PM »

Either you don't know many cricketers, or the area you live in is incredibly rich. Do you also not know anyone who doesn't own multiple porsches?

Do all you guys live in Surrey and earn 6 figures salaries or something? The rest of the country is not like that. A lot of people simply cannot afford to own their own cricket kit, let alone buy multiple bats all of which cost three figure sums.

Broken Britain it might be, but regardless of the sport, most people have the available cash to spend 100-150 on equipment, especially if it's accumulated over 5-6 years.

I grew up playing in what is likely one of the lower income areas in the Uk, and none of the league sides I played forever had any sort of club kit. There may have been the odd occasion someone struggled to pay fees or buy their own gear, but in those cases, someone on the board would have a quiet word and sort out a solution that suited all and in the case of gear something would always be found.

I struggle to believe that even in the poorest areas of the Uk there still exist league sides that rely predominantly on a club kit.
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Re: Chris King (GN) article
« Reply #59 on: July 31, 2018, 12:12:35 PM »

Either you don't know many cricketers, or the area you live in is incredibly rich. Do you also not know anyone who doesn't own multiple porsches?

Do all you guys live in Surrey and earn 6 figures salaries or something? The rest of the country is not like that. A lot of people simply cannot afford to own their own cricket kit, let alone buy multiple bats all of which cost three figure sums.

Yeah, I play for a club who regularly puts out 55 players on a Saturday. Having played a few years now I'm on pretty good terms with people from numerous oppositions too, but you're right, I don't know many cricketers at all...

As for owning multiple Porsche's, I don't know anyone who even owns one! I think people have moved on to Range Rovers now ;)

And I don't live in Surrey, or earn anything like a 6 figure salary. How do I sign up for that?
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