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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2018, 12:44:16 PM »
Considering he missed practically a whole winter tour I'd be disappointed if he served any further time away, he's done that part of it all.
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« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2018, 01:22:08 PM »
No disrespect Tim, but your missing the point. This was not done on the cricket field or whilst during an ECB function/event. The police didn't believe the evidence available was sufficient to charge him with a more serious crime. He has been found not guilty and therefore in my opinion should not be in front of a committee that in all honesty shouldn't be making itself judge and juror of a non related cricket event.
Does the committee sit when a cricketer commits adultery, spousal abuse etc etc? These are events where players have been proven guilty yet I'm not aware of the committee passing judgement on these players..
Imo Stokes has already paid for his altercation in missing the Ashes and his family I believe have suffered even more directly and indirectly. The last thing they need is an extension of this unsavoury incident.
If Stokes is made to attend this hearing then if I was him I would personally tell them to shove their contract "where the sun doesn't shine" and go and play T20 and country cricket. He won't do that because he loves playing for England..
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2018, 01:58:24 PM »
Quote from: tate035 on August 14, 2018, 01:22:08 PM
No disrespect Tim, but your missing the point. This was not done on the cricket field or whilst during an ECB function/event. The police didn't believe the evidence available was sufficient to charge him with a more serious crime. He has been found not guilty and therefore in my opinion should not be in front of a committee that in all honesty shouldn't be making itself judge and juror of a non related cricket event.
Does the committee sit when a cricketer commits adultery, spousal abuse etc etc? These are events where players have been proven guilty yet I'm not aware of the committee passing judgement on these players..
Imo Stokes has already paid for his altercation in missing the Ashes and his family I believe have suffered even more directly and indirectly. The last thing they need is an extension of this unsavoury incident.
If Stokes is made to attend this hearing then if I was him I would personally tell them to shove their contract "where the sun doesn't shine" and go and play T20 and country cricket. He won't do that because he loves playing for England..

he has a contract that would ensure there is a certain standard of behaviour while being contracted to the ECB.

Quite whether anyone could make a case exactly what that behaviour should be of whether he was representing England at the time- all a bit subjective and lots of grey areas perhaps

as it is, he has been found not guilty and you would suspect the ECB perhaps have a more supportive role from now on. I would doubt very much they will be heavy handed in light of te cricket he has missed

just my opinion really
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2018, 02:10:32 PM »
Regardless of the verdict there were still videos going viral of him knocking someone out. Doesn’t do the imagine of England Cricket any favours. The ECB imo should give him some sanction. As said above it will say in his contract not to be a knob etc... included in the squad though! If he plays who do you drop? Buttler?
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2018, 02:12:16 PM »
Quote from: Seniorplayer on August 14, 2018, 02:10:42 PM
If i was Stokes having been found not guilty i would be looking at making a claim against the ECB for loss of earning ie match  fees etc

That’s one way to find yourself dropped and being the next KP! 😂
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2018, 02:14:26 PM »
Stokes added to the third test squad.
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2018, 02:16:04 PM »
Quote from: bigc92 on August 14, 2018, 02:12:16 PM
That’s one way to find yourself dropped and being the next KP! 😂

And then we go back to court on the basis of was it reasonable under the circumstances
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2018, 02:16:22 PM »
Quote from: bigc92 on August 14, 2018, 02:10:32 PM
Regardless of the verdict there were still videos going viral of him knocking someone out. Doesn’t do the imagine of England Cricket any favours. The ECB imo should give him some sanction. As said above it will say in his contract not to be a knob etc... included in the squad though! If he plays who do you drop? Buttler?

It would be pope more than likely and then have to do a little jigging around with batting order
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #68 on: August 14, 2018, 02:30:06 PM »
theyll drop curran or woakes, the top order is frgile enough unless they bat bairstow at 4 but that wont happen

woakes wont be dropped after the last game so curran is favourite for the chop

who says stokes will even be picked given how we played in the last test?

id personally keep the side them same, why change something that wins unless for injury
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2018, 02:31:58 PM »
Well well well Ben Stokes found Not Guilty. And to think I was called a troll amongst other things by a few Australians on here for suggesting they had their blinkers on when calling for him to be beheaded

Meanwhile the man I compared him to to question their blind patriotism, Jarryd Hayne, will stand trial for RAPE in 2020 afer the girl involved refused mediation ( out of court cash settlement) Cheers Aussies!

Lets hope Ben learns from this and concentrates on his cricket as he has the potential to go down as an all-time great and certainly makes England stronger in all formats
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2018, 02:33:43 PM »
Bit of a joke really. He got off because he's a famous cricketer.
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #71 on: August 14, 2018, 02:40:26 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on August 14, 2018, 02:33:43 PM
Bit of a joke really. He got off because he's a famous cricketer.

To be fair he only went to court in the first place because he was a famous cricketer
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #72 on: August 14, 2018, 02:54:32 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on August 14, 2018, 02:33:43 PM
Bit of a joke really. He got off because he's a famous cricketer.

I think you'll find actually that sportspeople in the uk are treated more severely in general than joe public. Tony Adams went to prison for drink driving!

So all 3 went to court, all 3 found not guilty. My question is this - who pays the costs of this pointless debacle?
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #73 on: August 14, 2018, 03:15:56 PM »
Quote from: LateBloomer on August 14, 2018, 02:54:32 PM
I think you'll find actually that sportspeople in the uk are treated more severely in general than joe public. Tony Adams went to prison for drink driving!

So all 3 went to court, all 3 found not guilty. My question is this - who pays the costs of this pointless debacle?
A court case where the accused is found innocent is not a pointless court case.
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Re: Ben Stokes Trial
« Reply #74 on: August 14, 2018, 03:18:37 PM »

This says it all for me, the reason he was found not guilty was that he was charged with Affray, they even tried to add/change the charge to assult because they knew he was going to be found not guilty of affray!


CROWN PROSECUTION SERVICE STATEMENT

"The CPS keeps cases under continual review. We selected the charge of affray at the outset in accordance with the Code for Crown Prosecutors.

“Upon further review we considered that additional assault charges would also be appropriate. The Judge decided not to permit us to add these further charges.

“The original charge of affray adequately reflected the criminality of the case and we proceeded on that."
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