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Matt Prior

Jams Foster

Craig Kieswetter

Tim Ambrose

Steven Davies

[procricket]

haddin averages less than Prior and i know if we go for a batsman/keeper it would be Prior all day every day but if we went the other way just for the best keeper it would be either Read/Foster

[Tumo]

so on that evdience taking batting and keepin ginto account read is the best?? but is he actually tumo??

ahh peplow, you're doing what i expected! if, for example, the top keeper has a 90% rating (hypothetical), it doesn't mean that the second best keeper in my list has an 80% rating, the third best has a 70% rating, and so on. It isn't the case. For example, i don't think there's much to choose between the top 4 keepers (foster, read, scott, mustard) and the same goes for the last 3 keepers (davies kies, prior). Similarly, with the bat, I don't think that Prior, Davies and Kieswetter are far apart, and Read/Foster/Scott are of similar abilities, Mustard being (in my opinion) a lesser batsman than the rest by a fair distance...

[Marcussjd9]

ahh peplow, you're doing what i expected! if, for example, the top keeper has a 90% rating (hypothetical), it doesn't mean that the second best keeper in my list has an 80% rating, the third best has a 70% rating, and so on. It isn't the case. For example, i don't think there's much to choose between the top 4 keepers (foster, read, scott, mustard) and the same goes for the last 3 keepers (davies kies, prior). Similarly, with the bat, I don't think that Prior, Davies and Kieswetter are far apart, and Read/Foster/Scott are of similar abilities, Mustard being (in my opinion) a lesser batsman than the rest by a fair distance...

Don't rate Mustard's glovework that highly in my opinion but looking at the main candidates.

Glovework : Davies > Prior > Kieswetter
Batting : Prior >> Davies > Kieswetter

[peplow]

ahhh i fell into the trap did i tumo!?! damn! i see what your saying, the difference between 1st and 2nd place etc aren't equal etc. makes sense.... seems as though you can either have a good batsman that wears keeper gloves, or a keeper that just swings his bat! if you get me....

[Tumo]

Peplow - Yeah, thats about right. You can't be a one trick pony (sory Monty, no more test cricket for you until you average 50 with the bat!) in this day and age. Gilchrist/Flower were both awesome bats and more than handy with the gloves, rod marsh + ian healy phenomenal keepers who could bat well. Alec Stewart, Prior, Haddin, etc. fall more into the first group, Boucher into the second. Akmal seems to struggle with both at present...  Mushfiqur Rahim and Baz McCullum seem to be the most all-rounded keepers at the moment, funnily enough! I don't think too much to Dhoni's keeping, either, before anyone asks! And Kieswetter/Davies won't have it all their own way in the future, Jonathon Bairstow, Tom Burrows, Ben Brown, Josh Knappett, and Ben Cox are all very talented keepers, and Bairstow looks incredible with the bat... Now all we need is some genuine quicks, and we're sorted!

[Marcussjd9]

McCullum. Yuck.

[procricket]

as i have asked this question but why is Luke Wright in the England test set up not to mind any set up in my opinion i understand balance and things but why do we pick a player who is not good enough with either bat or ball in any form of cricket at international level??

[procricket]

jos butler could have a say in that list to  tumo in the not to distance future as well

[Marcussjd9]

as i have asked this question but why is Luke Wright in the England test set up not to mind any set up in my opinion i understand balance and things but why do we pick a player who is not good enough with either bat or ball in any form of cricket at international level??

Averaged close to 50 with the bat in the CC last year.
Don't agree with his selection either but you can sort of see why.

[Tumo]

as i have asked this question but why is Luke Wright in the England test set up not to mind any set up in my opinion i understand balance and things but why do we pick a player who is not good enough with either bat or ball in any form of cricket at international level??

one word mate: potential. he has the POTENTIAL to be a very, very good player. bowls 85mph upwards, gives it a good thwack, useful in the field. bit like james hopes of Oz, or abdul razzak of pakistan, albie morkel in SA etc. but with more potential, in my opinion. and marcus, not a fan of mccullum? i think he's quality personally. one of the best keepers in the world at present! Oh, in my previous post, i forgot to mention Prasanna Jayawardene of SL, the best keeper in the world. Technically perfect, useful batsman at number 7. But i think mccullum is top notch!

[procricket]

just dont get it unless they see a emerging talent he is never going to bat in the top 6 or be more than a lunch bowler at that level so no amount of balancing is going to convince me otherwise

[Marcussjd9]

marcus, not a fan of mccullum? i think he's quality personally. one of the best keepers in the world at present! Oh, in my previous post, i forgot to mention Prasanna Jayawardene of SL, the best keeper in the world. Technically perfect, useful batsman at number 7. But i think mccullum is top notch!

Good gloveman, I'd agree. Just to say he's one of the best balanced is wrong. Take out matches against Bangladesh and his average drops by nearly 5 runs to <30. Hardly the batting average of the "best balanced" keeper-batsman in the world.
Only one century as well.

[Marcussjd9]

just dont get it unless they see a emerging talent he is never going to bat in the top 6 or be more than a lunch bowler at that level so no amount of balancing is going to convince me otherwise

Prior could bat 6 and Wright 7. That's what he's in the squad for.

[procricket]

morkel v wright you serious different class morkel plays as a bowler and is proficent at this wright will never bee in that class and his batting is just not good enough to bat in top 6

hopes is not a bad player i can see your point in him but his record is alot better than wrights

marcus that why i said about balance but surely we have better

[procricket]

if sanga wanted to keep he would be the best batsman/keeper in the world in my opinion and even he is not that great a keeper infact there seems a real girt of international good keeper i know this is a sign of the new "GILCHRIST" role affecting this