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Matt Prior

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Craig Kieswetter

Tim Ambrose

Steven Davies

[Marcussjd9]

morkel v wright you serious different class morkel plays as a bowler and is proficent at this wright will never bee in that class and his batting is just not good enough to bat in top 6

hopes is not a bad player i can see your point in him but his record is alot better than wrights

marcus that why i said about balance but surely we have better

Are you thinking of Morne Morkel?

Who is a better allround option? Ahmad Shehzad? The cupboard's bare.

[Tumo]

Good gloveman, I'd agree. Just to say he's one of the best balanced is wrong. Take out matches against Bangladesh and his average drops by nearly 5 runs to <30. Hardly the batting average of the "best balanced" keeper-batsman in the world.
Only one century as well.

but to be fair, a) he bats far too low, along with danny v, and b) they always have to repair the poor efforts from the openers and middle order, Taylor/Ryder excepted. When batting at number 7, in 30 tests, he averages 39.15 with 4 tons, 6 50's, and with a S/R of 65. Clearly that's where he should bat!

Procricket - i said albie, not morne morkel. Albie morkel is dire with the ball in my opinion, and hit and miss with the bat. Morne is a bowler not an allrounder. and a quality bowler at that. And Ajmal isn't that bad a player Marcus, but I agree, far too early. Maybe we just stick with what we've got for now, the 4 bowlers, Prior (he's done nothing wrong so far) and 6 batsmen, and get KP to bowl more. Very underrated with the ball!

[procricket]

That a good point Marcus one i dont realy have a answer for i just think it a shame when we have not the cricketers to pick the 11 best cricketers we have instead of talking a balance when sometimes lesser players get a look in

Old fashoned value here but i think to be a regular with England you must be at international class in at least 1 of the 2 disciplines fielding is a given (monty apart)

maybe wright is good at being 12th man good fielder i know that

[Marcussjd9]

That a good point Marcus one i dont realy have a answer for i just think it a shame when we have not the cricketers to pick the 11 best cricketers we have instead of talking a balance when sometimes lesser players get a look in

Old fashoned value here but i think to be a regular with England you must be at international class in at least 1 of the 2 disciplines fielding is a given (monty apart)

maybe wright is good at being 12th man good fielder i know that

Yeah I agree, it's just when the ball doesn't swing our bowling attack can look pretty toothless. So if they want Wright as a 5th option then that's what they want. Personally, I don't think his bowling's much better than Colly's. When you think that you could play a specialist batsman and bowl Colly instead, it adds much more to the side in my opinion.

[Jord030994]

Fozzy, end of conversation.

[procricket]

tumo there is a reason why Morkel and Hopes have played just 1 test between them that was my point why is Wright in the test squad.

Morkel is a better batsman in my opinion than Wright in all formats of cricket in my opinion

and bowler

[Marcussjd9]

but to be fair, a) he bats far too low, along with danny v, and b) they always have to repair the poor efforts from the openers and middle order, Taylor/Ryder excepted. When batting at number 7, in 30 tests, he averages 39.15 with 4 tons, 6 50's, and with a S/R of 65. Clearly that's where he should bat!wi

Stats without Bangladesh. Number 7 position
filtered     2004-2009     25     1017     115     30.81     1     

Averages 31 with one ton.

[Tumo]

tumo there is a reason why Morkel and Hopes have played just 1 test between them that was my point why is Wright in the test squad.

Morkel is a better batsman in my opinion than Wright in all formats of cricket in my opinion

and bowler

I can't agree with that unfortunately. For a start, Morkel is 4 years older, more time to play/get experienced. Secondly, he's had a dire last 2 seasons with the bat in all forms of the game. And if you look, Wright still hasn't played any tests. Morkel has been in the test squad repeatedly, but hasn't played. He's seen as a replacement for Kallis, just as Wright is seen as a replacement for Flintoff/Broad.

and Marcus, I don't take out bangladesh, they're a test side, they should be treated as such. McCullum has had to play against Mortaza/Shakib, who would push to get into most sides at the moment, and Shakib would easily get into any test side at the moment... Along with rubel hossain, amongst others, they have some very talented bowlers!

[procricket]

tumo to be fair we talking about players morkel,wright,hopes who should not play test cricket and probably never will or in bits

[Tumo]

tumo to be fair we talking about players morkel,wright,hopes who should not play test cricket and probably never will or in bits

In your opinion yes? I don't think he's the greatest around, but i think he could do a job in test cricket. more of a one day player though for definite!

[Jeet]

and Marcus, I don't take out bangladesh, they're a test side, they should be treated as such. McCullum has had to play against Mortaza/Shakib, who would push to get into most sides at the moment, and Shakib would easily get into any test side at the moment... Along with rubel hossain, amongst others, they have some very talented bowlers!

You're talking crap. Shakib gets most of wickets due to batsmen trying to hammer him and losing their wicket. He's an average bowler. Mortaza is finished. Bowls at 125k's, not gonna strike fear into any of the world's best batsmen.

[peplow]

no but if he is getting wickets, even its because people are trying to muller him, then he is doing something right. 20 wickets wins test matches.....

[Jeet]

no but if he is getting wickets, even its because people are trying to muller him, then he is doing something right. 20 wickets wins test matches.....

Bangladesh have taken 20 wickets in a Test match 4 times in 60 odd Tests.

[peplow]

yeah but you have toget wickets to win, and if he is taking wickets then he is doing well. i dunno about pushing for any test side!!!! but he is obviously okay if he is getting test wickets against decent nations.

[Tumo]

You're talking crap. Shakib gets most of wickets due to batsmen trying to hammer him and losing their wicket. He's an average bowler. Mortaza is finished. Bowls at 125k's, not gonna strike fear into any of the world's best batsmen.

that's highly hypocritical. Shakib takes wickets against lots of sides. anybody that takes 6 5 wicket hauls in 16 tests doesn't get them because batsmen try to hammer him. his economy is 2.79. yeah, he clearly gets hammered, well done. In ODI cricket, his economy is 4.09. this means he is hard to get away. it builds pressure. then, they try to hit out, and they get out. the same applies in test matches. mortaza isn't finished by any stretch of the imagination. first off, he bowls at 130-135k's, normally, not 125 as you state. Secondly, line and length, with lateral movement, is key. look at Vaas/Mcgrath/Alec Bedser back in the day. Look at Zaheer the other day, took 4 wickets, bowling no quicker than 130k's for most of it. you don't need to be an all out quick if you have others in your side, like shafiul/rubel! I guarantee, anybody who has gotten out to Shakib will disagree with you in an instant.