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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #330 on: November 08, 2018, 05:23:16 PM »
They won't drop Buttler I know. I think he's a luxury is all. He can't bat top 4, there are better suited players. We have an abundance of middle order bats who bowl - Stokes, Mo. Bairstow is the better test batsman, without doubt.
Foakes is a better keeper and has proved he can bat at seven. Deserves the series and more. Three spinners are needed and Buttler doesn't bowl. He bats 5-7 and we have the four mentioned above. Thays why, to me, he's a luxury.
Appreciate he was player of the series in the summer. But this is the sub continent. We need flexibility. Play him again when we need four steamers and a spinner...
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #331 on: November 08, 2018, 05:56:59 PM »
Buttler plays spin considerably better than Bairstow
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #332 on: November 08, 2018, 06:06:54 PM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on November 08, 2018, 05:12:48 PM
Foakes showed in the second dig that he can be expansive the perfect combo so far! and his second catch off the edge was excellent too!

i do think if bairstow sorts out his technique and egt it back to where it was 2 summers ago he could bat at 3
which could mean for the ashes we have something like this (dont agree with all of it, Jennings at home for one but he'll get the summer or at least part of it after his ton)

burns
jennings
bairstow
root
stokes
buttler
foakes
ali
leach/curran
broad
anderson

i can see why bairstow is so desperate to play after being messed around with the ODI side and struggling in the test game for so long but he needs to get on with it and force his way back now.

The only reason he got a run in the ODI side was because hales was dropped after Bristol and score 2 hundreds. He got fortunate with the ODI but unfortunate here, you cant always have your cake and eat it!

Wrong!  Bairstow replaced Roy for the final match of the champions trophy and was in the side for the Bristol game, it was Roy who got fortunate with the Hales situation
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #333 on: November 08, 2018, 06:10:55 PM »
Quote from: fros23 on November 08, 2018, 06:06:54 PM
Wrong!  Bairstow replaced Roy for the final match of the champions trophy and was in the side for the Bristol game, it was Roy who got fortunate with the Hales situation

So he did
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #334 on: November 08, 2018, 06:26:24 PM »
Quote from: jamielsn15 on November 08, 2018, 05:23:16 PM
They won't drop Buttler I know. I think he's a luxury is all. He can't bat top 4, there are better suited players. We have an abundance of middle order bats who bowl - Stokes, Mo. Bairstow is the better test batsman, without doubt.
Foakes is a better keeper and has proved he can bat at seven. Deserves the series and more. Three spinners are needed and Buttler doesn't bowl. He bats 5-7 and we have the four mentioned above. Thays why, to me, he's a luxury.
Appreciate he was player of the series in the summer. But this is the sub continent. We need flexibility. Play him again when we need four steamers and a spinner...
Are you sure? If Buttler is a luxury, then Bairstow is also a luxury. Neither of them 'can' bat in the top 4, both usually bat in the middle order, neither bowl. Since when did being a specialist make you a luxury?! Graham Thorpe, Kevin Pietersen, Ian Bell, AB De Villiers... who'd pick them, they were all a waste of a selection at 5 :o

On the other hand, let's say you're right - both are specialist batsmen and we 'need' too many bowlers. Take a read of this table and then explain why Buttler, our second-highest scorer this year/top of the averages/vice-captain, is for the chop?
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #335 on: November 08, 2018, 06:49:52 PM »
It might be that - for the next two games - England have to say to Bairstow "look mate, its not forever".  Long term, one of the bowlers goes, but pragmatically they are all playing a role here and the one that England absolutely must not do is sacrifice the chance to find out whether Burns is a long term option.
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #336 on: November 08, 2018, 06:53:53 PM »
Quote from: Manormanic on November 08, 2018, 06:49:52 PM
It might be that - for the next two games - England have to say to Bairstow "look mate, its not forever".  Long term, one of the bowlers goes, but pragmatically they are all playing a role here and the one that England absolutely must not do is sacrifice the chance to find out whether Burns is a long term option.
Think this is the most realistic option, the specialist batsmen have all earned their place ahead of Bairstow next game and the all-rounders/bowlers are all doing a job at the moment. Should the pitches change they could drop Rashid but seems unlikely at present. Can't see Jonny taking it well though!
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #337 on: November 08, 2018, 06:59:47 PM »
Quote from: Manormanic on November 08, 2018, 06:49:52 PM
It might be that - for the next two games - England have to say to Bairstow "look mate, its not forever".  Long term, one of the bowlers goes, but pragmatically they are all playing a role here and the one that England absolutely must not do is sacrifice the chance to find out whether Burns is a long term option.

This

If this team wins then they all deserve to survive and those who missed out await people to fail or conditions change. Jennings won’t last once they leave the SC as he’s already shown he isn’t capable so a few runs vs SL will just buy him more games to fail (sadly less time for England before the ashes) and more likely to ‘he did well in SL’ or ‘he avg x over the last 10 games’...

Still, pleased for the lad as whatever it’s always nice to score runs. Just can’t get all hyped up like some
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #338 on: November 08, 2018, 07:11:11 PM »
It should be noted that not a single one of you (/us) was pushing for Ben Foakes inclusion before now.  :o
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #339 on: November 08, 2018, 07:25:20 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 08, 2018, 07:11:11 PM
It should be noted that not a single one of you (/us) was pushing for Ben Foakes inclusion before now.  :o

Let’s see if he’s consistent first before declaring either way shall we...
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #340 on: November 08, 2018, 07:39:38 PM »
Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on November 08, 2018, 07:25:20 PM
Let’s see if he’s consistent first before declaring either way shall we...

That guy just scored 100 on debut and is keeping like Jesus himself (if he were a keeper)... He's not going anywhere!  :D
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #341 on: November 08, 2018, 07:59:32 PM »
Quote from: billyb on November 08, 2018, 07:39:38 PM
That guy just scored 100 on debut and is keeping like Jesus himself (if he were a keeper)... He's not going anywhere!  :D
Did I say he was ? Or are you just suddenly declaring another messiah ?
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #342 on: November 08, 2018, 08:13:21 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 08, 2018, 07:11:11 PM
It should be noted that not a single one of you (/us) was pushing for Ben Foakes inclusion before now.  :o

Hate to be smug but at least I had him in my squad...
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #343 on: November 08, 2018, 09:51:53 PM »
The side for this game looked a bowler heavy and a batsman light but given the next game is being played at a ground that offers more to the seamers, I can't see that a bowler could be left out.  Foakes should keep his place which leaves Bairstow competing as a specialist batsman and the only person he could displace on form is Burns which would be very harsh at this point and would require Bairstow to bat in the top 3.

Not sure why Butler's place would be at risk.  The game must have moved on since I started watching it if a middle order batsman averaging over 40 for the year is now considered to be a luxury.
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #344 on: November 08, 2018, 10:18:20 PM »
I rate Buttler. But the selectors seem to want players who can do a bit of more than one thing. That's all. I actually don't care who bats between him and Bairstow, but it has to only be one of them.

Everyone's jumped on that but does any one agree Root should bat three? If not I'll get my coat...
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