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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #645 on: November 23, 2018, 05:12:30 PM »

Doff my imaginary cap to Bairstow first century batting in the top order and that to after returning from injury. I get he's angry at losing the gloves but that's tough luck. What I have an issue is with when he says my form has been really good the last two years, I'm not sure averaging 31 is considered "good form". Bayliss and/or Root needs to tell him Foakes is the top dog now and continually saying he wants the gloves back isn't gonna happen.
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #646 on: November 23, 2018, 06:56:48 PM »

Doff my imaginary cap to Bairstow first century batting in the top order and that to after returning from injury. I get he's angry at losing the gloves but that's tough luck. What I have an issue is with when he says my form has been really good the last two years, I'm not sure averaging 31 is considered "good form". Bayliss and/or Root needs to tell him Foakes is the top dog now and continually saying he wants the gloves back isn't gonna happen.

I suspect in form he was referring to his overall game - and his keeping has indeed been surprising in its quality the last year or so. Even his batting form he has something of an argument - he was awful the last three tests against India but before that good, and ranked six in the world. As I said at the time, the decision to leave him alone out was the right one, but that doesn't mean he is expected to endorse it.
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #647 on: November 23, 2018, 07:39:11 PM »

As far as I can see, the only castigation Bairstow has got is for the embarrassing things that come out of his mouth every time he gets out in front of a microphone so this unhinged response is unlikely to put any of that to bed. 

It's a shame that he has taken the shine off what was a very good innings under pressure.  Ultimately, whether he makes a success at 3 will depend on whether he can improve his weakness against quality seam bowling but he was excellent inn these conditions today against spin
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #648 on: November 23, 2018, 07:44:43 PM »

I suspect in form he was referring to his overall game - and his keeping has indeed been surprising in its quality the last year or so. Even his batting form he has something of an argument - he was awful the last three tests against India but before that good, and ranked six in the world. As I said at the time, the decision to leave him alone out was the right one, but that doesn't mean he is expected to endorse it.

Hmmm.perhaps there is a bit too the team policy of playing football, I guess you don't have to join in its hard to imagine the situation if you say 'sorry I'm not playing in case I get injured'

He seems to have issue with not automatically regaining his place. I'm sorry...really really like YB but you have to take the rough with the smooth regardless of how much you are putting in.

The difficult situation of someone coming in and doing well is awkward..you have done nothing wrong and miss out.with competition for places, and it's about time we have that in the test side, I don't see how someone who has done well can be dropped.

In our club cricket, if I was injured, which I have been, once I'm fit I get my place back..that is pretty normal stuff.

I wonder if you took a general view on this forum, how many would think at the top level you should indeed get your place back, and the player coming in is just 'filling in'

I think modern day sport the thinking is different than a few years back, so things have changed.

Alternatively if for arguments sake Anderson was injured in a home series, Woakes came in and got a ten for, would he be dropped so Anderson could return on the basis Jimmy is a class above Woakes?

It's a bit of a can of worms isn't it?  :)
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #649 on: November 23, 2018, 07:47:56 PM »

I suspect the answer is it depends on who the player is.  If Root or Anderson picked up an injury you would expect them to come straight back in.  But if your form hasn't been great over a period of time, the can be no feeling of entitlement to simply walk back in
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #650 on: November 23, 2018, 07:54:35 PM »

Bob Taylor, Stuey MacGill and Ray Clemenceau were all unlucky to be at the tops of their games at the same time as some other bloke, and their careers were still pretty good.

Jonny’s got all sorts going for him at the moment with the bat and gloves and a bright future. His passion is commendable however, ultimately he needs to fulfill the role that is best for the team and revel in the fact that he is playing the highest level he can.

Foakes or Buttler could trip up at any time - so l hope he can be a bit ‘glass half full ‘!
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #651 on: November 23, 2018, 08:12:01 PM »

He seems to have issue with not automatically regaining his place. I'm sorry...really really like YB but you have to take the rough with the smooth regardless of how much you are putting in.

Again, I stress I though it was the right decision to leave him out.  But, you can see it from his point of view - for three years he was in Ben Foakes position with the one day side, and every time he came in and did well, he was left out again as soon as the "incumbent" was back.  You can't blame someone in that situation for feeling aggrieved when the same logic doesn't apply to him.

Alternatively if for arguments sake Anderson was injured in a home series, Woakes came in and got a ten for, would he be dropped so Anderson could return on the basis Jimmy is a class above Woakes?

Yes, undoubtedly. 
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #652 on: November 23, 2018, 08:13:00 PM »

Bob Taylor, Stuey MacGill and Ray Clemenceau were all unlucky to be at the tops of their games at the same time as some other bloke, and their careers were still pretty good.

Stuart Law got one test, Darren Lehmann 20 (and most of them after his prime), Sylvester Clarke 5...
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #653 on: November 23, 2018, 09:14:16 PM »

It’s England .. not a club . It’s not an affront that your mate Joe hasn’t picked you. You are you are chosen to represent your country . Anderson isn’t being rested . He’s dropped . Any other other way and it’s mates and a sense of entitlement no matter how many wickets you have.
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #654 on: November 23, 2018, 09:22:22 PM »

Think he needs to take a leaf out of someone like Sanga's book; he was pushed to give up the gloves and look how that worked out for him. He is a good keeper, I won't deny that, but Foakes is so, so, so much better; can train all he likes but the sooner he stops throwing his toys out of the pram the better.
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #655 on: November 23, 2018, 09:41:55 PM »

I’m a big Bairstow fan, love his style of batting and how he has improved his game.

Nevertheless I think he needs to take the chip off his shoulder and concentrate on his game, I think it will make him a far better player if he does. He comes across quite petulant on the interview as if he’s a child that has had his toys removed.

He’s a grown man that gets paid very well to play a sport we all love. It’s good that he’s used all the negativity as fuel to get a ton but keep it under wraps at the interview! Only giving the papers stuff to feed on by saying what he did.
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #656 on: November 23, 2018, 10:26:50 PM »

One thing i didn't like about Bairstow's celebration was throwing his helmet on the ground. Your crest is on the helmet, I'm all for passion but don't throw the crest on the ground.
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #657 on: November 23, 2018, 10:29:56 PM »

Stop whining people!


This is awesome and just like club cricket! We all have that guy in the side that hasn’t done much in years, gets dropped down the order. Finally gets a few runs and then Won’t stop telling you for years after that he should never have been dropped.


Think that’s me in our side......
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #658 on: November 23, 2018, 10:40:09 PM »

I think those of us who watch Surrey knew that once Foakes was in, it would be in for keeps. It was just a case of when it would happen, rather than if.
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Re: Sri Lanka vs England test series
« Reply #659 on: November 24, 2018, 05:02:25 AM »

Set the alarm to watch the cricket this morning.

3 of the softest dismissals you can imagine. Disappointed, we should be looking at 350 minimum.
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