Topic: Australia vs India (Read 71283 times)

SLA · « **Reply #150 on:** December 17, 2018, 12:47:32 PM »

Quote from: LateBloomer on December 17, 2018, 11:51:22 AM

Because as I said previously - if the grass and ground are considered different things in the sport of cricket then in most cases the ball never truly touches the ground. As there is always the grass surface seperating the ball from ever touching the soil.

So you could play a perfect cover drive along the grass and be given out caught at cover. Of course that doesnt happen, which is why the grass on the outfield should be and often is classed as part of the ground

The ground is solid, the grass is not. A ball resting, rolling, or bouncing on the ground is touching the ground by definition.

The grass is not considered to be part of the ground, it never has been and never will be. I repeat - the ground is defined as being the SOLID surface of the earth. Grass is not solid.

This is getting a bit silly. Your argument just doesn't stand up at all.

SLA · « **Reply #151 on:** December 17, 2018, 12:58:15 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on December 17, 2018, 12:10:24 PM

err, if you're talking about Swann when he was still playing, then don't be ridiculous!

Actually, their stats are pretty similar, despite Lyon playing half his game in Aus, which is supposedly "the off-spinners graveyard". Personally I think Lyon is the more talented and flexible bowler. Swann quite often cleaned up the tail after Anderson and Broad had knocked over the top order.

LateBloomer · « **Reply #152 on:** December 17, 2018, 01:02:32 PM »

Quote from: SLA on December 17, 2018, 12:47:32 PM

The ground is solid, the grass is not. A ball resting, rolling, or bouncing on the ground is touching the ground by definition.

The grass is not considered to be part of the ground, it never has been and never will be. I repeat - the ground is defined as being the SOLID surface of the earth. Grass is not solid.

This is getting a bit silly. Your argument just doesn't stand up at all.

What is grass if not solid?

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #153 on:** December 17, 2018, 01:12:26 PM »

Quote from: SLA on December 17, 2018, 12:47:32 PM

The ground is solid, the grass is not. A ball resting, rolling, or bouncing on the ground is touching the ground by definition.

The grass is not considered to be part of the ground, it never has been and never will be. I repeat - the ground is defined as being the SOLID surface of the earth. Grass is not solid.

This is getting a bit silly. Your argument just doesn't stand up at all.

it was silly a long time ago..

however i would pose one question, which was asked before.. your at lords, their is an even and thick covering of grass, the ball cannot touch the "ground" because of this covering of grass, joe root plays a cover drive that is fielded at cover, Australia appeal for the catch.. the ball has touched the grass not the ground, by you definition he is out caught.

we all know in this case the ball is deemed to have touched the "ground" even though by dictionary definitions it hasn't.

what has been missed here (and is missing alot from the forum atm) is common sense, we all know when the ball has been grounded whether its hit grass or soil without petty and quite frankly ridiculous discussions about it, bottom line is the grass CAN be part of the ground, there are a few and VERY few instances where it is not

SLA · « **Reply #154 on:** December 17, 2018, 01:13:39 PM »

Quote from: LateBloomer on December 17, 2018, 01:02:32 PM

What is grass if not solid?

Definition of solid in this context: "firm, hard, or compact in substance: eg solid ground"

By comparison, grass is soft, weak, dispersed, permeable, non-supporting. If the ground wasn't there, the ball would pass straight through it.

Any further questions?

SLA · « **Reply #155 on:** December 17, 2018, 01:18:55 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on December 17, 2018, 01:12:26 PM

your at lords, their is an even and thick covering of grass, the ball cannot touch the "ground" because of this covering of grass

I'll stop you there: any ball resting, rolling or bouncing on the ground is touching the ground, regardless of whether the ground is covered by grass, dust, carpet, whatever. We've already gone over this.

This really isn't complicated, I'm amazed so many people are confused by it.

stevat · « **Reply #156 on:** December 17, 2018, 01:34:31 PM »

I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding going on here, but I think what would illustrate the point that you're trying to make would be if there were a stray blade of grass that was 6 inches long that got clipped by a ball caught cleanly 5 inches above the ground in the slips, that that would not be classed as grounded. That said, the only person who really knows if he got his fingers under the ball is the fielder, and ultimately if it were me, I would say I wasn't sure unless I was absolutely certain none of the ball had caught the ground.

Perhaps we can move on and actually talk about cricket?

Saffa1 · « **Reply #157 on:** December 17, 2018, 01:36:13 PM »

This "debate" appears to be a bit solid.

SLA · « **Reply #158 on:** December 17, 2018, 02:00:05 PM »

Quote from: stevat on December 17, 2018, 01:34:31 PM

I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding going on here, but I think what would illustrate the point that you're trying to make would be if there were a stray blade of grass that was 6 inches long that got clipped by a ball caught cleanly 5 inches above the ground in the slips, that that would not be classed as grounded. That said, the only person who really knows if he got his fingers under the ball is the fielder, and ultimately if it were me, I would say I wasn't sure unless I was absolutely certain none of the ball had caught the ground.

Perhaps we can move on and actually talk about cricket?

yes, absolutely, thank you, I made this exact point about 10 posts ago.

Buzz · « **Reply #159 on:** December 17, 2018, 02:01:23 PM »

The real question is how long will India last tomorrow?
I suspect the Goat will finish with 10for in the match...

Please can we give up on the Kohli catch. Fine if people aren't going to agree, but the discussions are a bit circular now.

P.s. I am going to delete any more discussions on the catch or the definition of ground vs grass because these are semantics that can't be picked up by a two dimensional camera on tv vs real life.

mo_town · « **Reply #160 on:** December 17, 2018, 02:07:41 PM »

I struggled to understand Rahane's approach today. It wasnt like India was chasing 150 odd runs. Agreed that India have a really long tail but all it needs really is 1 good partnership.

golders · « **Reply #161 on:** December 17, 2018, 02:28:04 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on December 17, 2018, 02:01:23 PM

The real question is how long will India last tomorrow?
I suspect the Goat will finish with 10for in the match...

Please can we give up on the Kohli catch. Fine if people aren't going to agree, but the discussions are a bit circular now.

The Goat is class. What are your thoughts on the exchange between Paine and Kohli? Doesn't look great for Paine really after all his chat before hand- perhaps he was just being too honest and living up to the mantra "elite honesty"?!

Buzz · « **Reply #162 on:** December 17, 2018, 02:43:18 PM »

Kohli is desperate to win and is intense like Graeme Smith. So it is inevitable there will be flair ups when you have a skipper who can't give an inch.
The reality is there was no swearing no abuse just testosterone and handbags.
I don't think there is much in it.

csnew · « **Reply #163 on:** December 17, 2018, 03:19:08 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on December 17, 2018, 02:43:18 PM

Kohli is desperate to win and is intense like Graeme Smith. So it is inevitable there will be flair ups when you have a skipper who can't give an inch.
The reality is there was no swearing no abuse just testosterone and handbags.
I don't think there is much in it.

Agree - no abuse whatsoever. No issues with it. Amusing seeing the Aussies crying wolf about it all.

Thought Kohli should�ve turned around and asked Paine the last time he scored a 100. Surprised Kohli even bothers with him. Only 1 100 in first class cricket.

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #164 on:** December 17, 2018, 04:10:33 PM »

Really surprised both Vijay and Rahul remain in squad for rest of the series though good that Mayank has been included (finally!). Should have tried Dhawan with Mayank for rest of the games instead.

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