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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #180 on: December 19, 2018, 01:57:22 PM »

Well, its a stop gap solution for sure but let me state my case -

Pant's keeping is very mediocre as well and he hasn't really looked like scoring any runs. I don't think he has the technique to withstand the Aussie bowling attack in these conditions. Every time he has scored runs its been on very flat batting tracks. I also don't see him succeeding in New Zealand or South Africa. Not sure he is the future basically. And Parthiv at least will put a price on his wicket. He might not score hundreds but he has repeatedly shown that he is good for 30 to 60 runs. Vijay and Rahul are walking wickets right now.

And playing Parthiv basically gives India the option of either adding an extra batsman down the order for insurance or playing that extra bowler if the pitch is flat or Hardik Pandya without sacrificing Hanuma Vihari who I believe India should stick with and not discard after just one game.

I am not convinced with this theory of sending Parthiv as a stopgap opener. In the past India has done this whenever they had struggled with limited success. Considering the success in the Perth, Australia will try again to produce a wicket with pace and bounce in both Melbourne and Sydney, even if they are not traditionally those wickets, they can still be altered to some extent to make them as close to the Perth wicket.
Parthiv's highest score in SA was 19. He is not the type to hang around, he loves playing his shots and might make good 20 or 30 but will eventually fall. His Wicket Keeping is average at best and even though Pant is not great with his WK skills, he is still young and can improve over time and hence it makes sense to invest in him.
India has been lacking a solid start at the top.
Even if that means a really slow start to get the ball old and reach the lunch without much damage.
I remember Aakash Chopra in the past has done this  Last tour Vijay was successful in a similar role.
So top 3 in my opinion should have tight technique to handle the new ball on a difficult wicket.
From what I have seen so far, Vijay, Pujara and Vihari have the technique to grind it out.
This will allow  Kohli, Rahane, Rohit/Pandya and Pant to play their naturally aggressive game.
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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #181 on: December 22, 2018, 07:18:04 PM »

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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #182 on: December 23, 2018, 10:19:44 AM »

So Shastri confirmed that Jadeja was selected on this tour despite being injured. He was supposed to play in Perth but then they didn't want to play Kuldeep. Seems a bit idiotic
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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #183 on: December 23, 2018, 10:21:31 AM »

Well, its a stop gap solution for sure but let me state my case -

Pant's keeping is very mediocre as well and he hasn't really looked like scoring any runs. I don't think he has the technique to withstand the Aussie bowling attack in these conditions. Every time he has scored runs its been on very flat batting tracks. I also don't see him succeeding in New Zealand or South Africa. Not sure he is the future basically. And Parthiv at least will put a price on his wicket. He might not score hundreds but he has repeatedly shown that he is good for 30 to 60 runs. Vijay and Rahul are walking wickets right now.

And playing Parthiv basically gives India the option of either adding an extra batsman down the order for insurance or playing that extra bowler if the pitch is flat or Hardik Pandya without sacrificing Hanuma Vihari who I believe India should stick with and not discard after just one game.
Pant took a worle record 11 dismissals in Adelaide so I'd say his keeping is going fine. Also twice Pant lost his wicket hitting out with the tail as all four are so incompetent with the bat.
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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #184 on: December 23, 2018, 03:07:28 PM »

So Shastri confirmed that Jadeja was selected on this tour despite being injured. He was supposed to play in Perth but then they didn't want to play Kuldeep. Seems a bit idiotic

Not a surprise, Sastry is in team due to his friendship/yes man attitude to Kohli. Just trying to cover up the selections of Kohli..
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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #185 on: December 23, 2018, 03:38:33 PM »

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/videos/india-vs-australia-exclusive-should-have-been-upfront-about-jadeja-injury-kumble-1981571.html?ref=hp_top_pos_2

Long read, but interesting thoughts/analysis from Kumble. Great thinker of the game, India surely miss him as coach.
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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #186 on: December 23, 2018, 11:57:20 PM »

I can't say that I have been too impressed with Pujara's technique.  He seems to be more like Alistair Cook in that he battles a somewhat dodgy technique by having exceptional powers of concentration and a clear understanding of where his scoring areas are. 

In general though, I think you can be too critical of batsman and their weakness when playing in conditions that are vastly different to that which they have been bought up in.  Part of the fascination of test match cricket is that the game can be completely different depending where in the world it is being played.  Only the very good teams can win consistently away from home on alien conditions
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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #187 on: December 24, 2018, 08:33:20 PM »

I can't say that I have been too impressed with Pujara's technique.  He seems to be more like Alistair Cook in that he battles a somewhat dodgy technique by having exceptional powers of concentration and a clear understanding of where his scoring areas are. 

In general though, I think you can be too critical of batsman and their weakness when playing in conditions that are vastly different to that which they have been bought up in.  Part of the fascination of test match cricket is that the game can be completely different depending where in the world it is being played.  Only the very good teams can win consistently away from home on alien conditions

His technique is flawed hence why he is vulnerable. However he shows that if you’re prepared to battle hard and stay disciplined you can thrive. Compare that to rahaul, Vijay, dhawan, Rahane, rohit, pants etc etc.. I know which one is a test batter and those who are essentially white ball hitters
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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #188 on: December 25, 2018, 01:06:11 AM »

India have announced their XI for the boxing day test,
Mayank Agarwal, Rohit Sharma, Cheteshwar Pujara, Virat Kohli (capt), Ajinkya Rahane, Hanuma Vihari, Rishabh Pant (wk), Ravindra Jadeja, Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma, Jasprit Bumrah.

Debutant opener Agarwal, Rohit and the supposedly unfit Jadeja all get a game. Vijay's Test career is essentially over with the axe coming again. Rahul test aspirations look to be fading with his axing. Umesh unsurprisingly dropped after mediocre effort in Perth.

Whether it's Rohit or Vihari as makeshift opener tough gig
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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #189 on: December 25, 2018, 01:12:55 AM »

Australia have recalled the privileged Mitchell Marsh for the woeful Peter Handscombe.
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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #190 on: December 25, 2018, 01:40:22 AM »

His technique is flawed hence why he is vulnerable. However he shows that if you’re prepared to battle hard and stay disciplined you can thrive. Compare that to rahaul, Vijay, dhawan, Rahane, rohit, pants etc etc.. I know which one is a test batter and those who are essentially white ball hitters

Can't agree more.. At this level or any level for that matter, technique is overrated..It's all temperament and the ability to battle it out that matters.
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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #191 on: December 25, 2018, 12:30:07 PM »

Can't agree more.. At this level or any level for that matter, technique is overrated..It's all temperament and the ability to battle it out that matters.

Technique only really comes in when the going gets tough (wicket/bowling). It allows you to be out of form more too. However, especially in white ball with roads and little to no swing or seam you’re able to get away with it more Etc. There are upsides to great flat wickets but the downside is compromised techniques and mentalities

We have a club whose wicket is always a road. Great to bat on once a year but take their players from said road and they seem to not have a clue. They just keep trying to play the same shots on the up etc. They are then skittled for little a few times each season. Home form generally gets them a good league spot though so it covers the problem. None of those players (young ones are generally trying to ‘make it’) will never make it as they simply don’t learn how to bat on anything but roads
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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #192 on: December 25, 2018, 12:50:16 PM »

Australia have recalled the privileged Mitchell Marsh for the woeful Peter Handscombe.

I’d love to know what the selectors see in the marsh brothers. How many times have they been dropped and reselected.
I know the Aussies are a bit desperate but a few Aussie shield players must be getting tired of overlooked
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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #193 on: December 25, 2018, 02:05:19 PM »

I’d love to know what the selectors see in the marsh brothers. How many times have they been dropped and reselected.
I know the Aussies are a bit desperate but a few Aussie shield players must be getting tired of overlooked
The Marsh brothers must be pity selections on the basis that their father played for Australia.

Either way India are similar with Kohli's insistence of picking the hapless Rohit.
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Re: Australia vs India
« Reply #194 on: December 25, 2018, 04:02:27 PM »

The Marsh brothers seem similar to R brothers (Rohit and Rahul). They keep getting chances again and again even after failing to grab every chance.
Any other new player would have been dropped forever after a couple of failures.. Add to it the issue of Dhoni in ODIs/T20s, but that is for another story :)
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