Topic: Australia vs India (Read 67846 times)

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #345 on:** January 13, 2019, 11:47:41 AM »

Dhoni has been a hindrance for along time now. The man lacks self respect to retire as he's now holding back the ODI side and Pant's career. These Asian players are greedy and often hang around long past their sell by dates. Rayudu is another flat track bully. There's better batsmen in India missing out to mediocre players like Dhoni and Rayudu

csnew · « **Reply #346 on:** January 13, 2019, 12:41:44 PM »

You don�t blame dhoni, if you�re in a position earning 30m a year why give it up. You�d want to carry on 2-3 years past your best.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #347 on:** January 13, 2019, 01:01:27 PM »

Quote from: csnew on January 13, 2019, 12:41:44 PM

You don�t blame dhoni, if you�re in a position earning 30m a year why give it up. You�d want to carry on 2-3 years past your best.

Exactly this.. keeps the dough rolling in

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #348 on:** January 13, 2019, 01:02:21 PM »

Quote from: csnew on January 13, 2019, 12:41:44 PM

You don�t blame dhoni, if you�re in a position earning 30m a year why give it up. You�d want to carry on 2-3 years past your best.

Well Dhoni knows whatever pathetic performances he serves up he�ll still get selected as the selection panel are too weak to axe the man whom lead them to the ICC World Cup, ICC champions trophy and the World T20. Dhoni is essentially holding them hostage.

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #349 on:** January 13, 2019, 01:04:00 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 13, 2019, 01:01:27 PM

Exactly this.. keeps the dough rolling in

He�s got the Floyd Mayweather delusions...we know he�s rich just clear off now.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #350 on:** January 13, 2019, 01:08:44 PM »

Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on January 13, 2019, 01:04:00 PM

He�s got the Floyd Mayweather delusions...we know he�s rich just clear off now.

Meh, people like money so will earn as much as they can when they can. That�s the society we have now. Can�t blame him. Only people at fault are the sides who pick him.

SD · « **Reply #351 on:** January 13, 2019, 03:03:55 PM »

Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on January 13, 2019, 11:47:41 AM

Dhoni has been a hindrance for along time now. The man lacks self respect to retire as he's now holding back the ODI side and Pant's career. These Asian players are greedy and often hang around long past their sell by dates. Rayudu is another flat track bully. There's better batsmen in India missing out to mediocre players like Dhoni and Rayudu

Not sure why you would pick out Asian players. I am not sure there are many people across the world in any profession who would turn down the chance to earn large sums of money if presented with the opportunity.

Nor do I see a lack if self awareness about the right time to call it a day being somehow a feature of Asian players. Alistair Cook lacked the self awareness to recognise that he had no place leading the ODI side and the results since his enforced departure have demonstrated how much of a hindrance both his own form and his limited leadership qualities had on that side. When you look at the mental qualities required to make it to the top level, a belief in yourself is certainly one of those, even if others don't share it. I can't think of many top players who went out by their own choice at the top of their game

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #352 on:** January 13, 2019, 03:52:53 PM »

Quote from: SD on January 13, 2019, 03:03:55 PM

Not sure why you would pick out Asian players. I am not sure there are many people across the world in any profession who would turn down the chance to earn large sums of money if presented with the opportunity.

Nor do I see a lack if self awareness about the right time to call it a day being somehow a feature of Asian players. Alistair Cook lacked the self awareness to recognise that he had no place leading the ODI side and the results since his enforced departure have demonstrated how much of a hindrance both his own form and his limited leadership qualities had on that side. When you look at the mental qualities required to make it to the top level, a belief in yourself is certainly one of those, even if others don't share it. I can't think of many top players who went out by their own choice at the top of their game

Flintoff (injury sure, but would have continued otherwise)
Strauss
Kallis
Smith
Hussey
McGrath
Warne
Murali
Sanga
Mahela

Probably the only ones who still had the skills to offer I suppose

You could add tresco (mental illness). I�d love to add saxhin/Ponting but they left when form had pretty much gone

mad_abt_cricket · « **Reply #353 on:** January 13, 2019, 05:52:09 PM »

Dhoni with his current form with his wicket keeping, his experience to help out the team in pressure situations and tactical decisions alone merit his selection in the one day side. His batting has gone downhill specially his inability to rotate strike since quite a while and opposition teams have successfully used it against him. With worldcup round the corner he needs to find a way to get over this whether that requires taking some risks at the start. He is still one of the fittest. He needs a specific role to go out all guns blazing without the responsibility of finishing the game. The tag of best finisher is weighing him down.

SD · « **Reply #354 on:** January 13, 2019, 09:59:43 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 13, 2019, 03:52:53 PM

Flintoff (injury sure, but would have continued otherwise)
Strauss
Kallis
Smith
Hussey
McGrath
Warne
Murali
Sanga
Mahela

Probably the only ones who still had the skills to offer I suppose

You could add tresco (mental illness). I�d love to add saxhin/Ponting but they left when form had pretty much gone

But of that list a number carried on cashing in by continuing playing in the T20 leagues when they were a shadow of what they had been. I don't blame them one bit. When cricket is your job, few would turn down serious monet if the offers keep coming in

csnew · « **Reply #355 on:** January 13, 2019, 10:12:59 PM »

Probably the most recent retiree at the top of his game would be AB. Then again that had something to do with south africa�s quota policy

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #356 on:** January 14, 2019, 12:36:23 AM »

Quote from: csnew on January 13, 2019, 12:41:44 PM

You don�t blame dhoni, if you�re in a position earning 30m a year why give it up. You�d want to carry on 2-3 years past your best.

On the other hand, you could argue that being one of the richest cricketers, he shouldn't really be looking to get those few extra bucks at the cost of permanently damaging his reputation. I am sure if he leaves after the WC, he will be more remembered for his "selfishness" and possibly costing the country a shot at the WC more than his good contributions in the earlier years.

CricketXI · « **Reply #357 on:** January 14, 2019, 04:46:51 AM »

I believe it's been more than 3 years that Dhoni has been struggling to get his team out of trouble or even giving impetus to the end score.
Now if India is playing Dhoni in their team then they must be considering 1 batsman short. Do not think R.Pant is an immediate solution to that.

Pant has not shown that he can hold up himself at ODI levels, India has pulled this situation on themselves by not trying other WK-Batsmen options earlier.
Their batting only depends upon the top 3 rest are just travelers, they have no reliable power hitter in their line up.
You can not consider H.Pandya a hitter who can only target spinners and there are not many teams who rely on spinners in the last 10.

CricketXI · « **Reply #358 on:** January 14, 2019, 06:54:38 AM »

Quote

Flintoff (injury sure, but would have continued otherwise)
Strauss
Kallis
Smith
Hussey
McGrath
Warne
Murali
Sanga
Mahela /quote]

Would beg a differ to this list.
Flintoff:-Believe reoccurring injuries forced him out of the game not his own conscious.
Strauss- In his last 19 matches he got 3 "100" only.
Smith :-Last 22 matches 4 "100"
Mahela:- His 63% (more than 7000 out of 11000) of runs are in SL so cannot say when was his prime(not saying he was not a good batsman).

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #359 on:** January 14, 2019, 09:12:35 AM »

Quote from: CricketXI on January 14, 2019, 04:46:51 AM

I believe it's been more than 3 years that Dhoni has been struggling to get his team out of trouble or even giving impetus to the end score.
Now if Indian is playing Dhoni in their team they must be considering 1 batsman short. Do not think R.Pant is an immediate solution to that.

Pant has not shown that he can hold up himself at ODI levels, India has pulled this situation on themselves by not trying other WK-Batsmen options earlier.
Their batting only depends upon the top 3 rest are just travelers, they have no reliable power hitter in their line up.
You can not consider H.Pandya a hitter who can only target spinners and there are not many teams who rely on spinners in the last 10.

So you're determining that Pant's not an ODI player based on 3 matches where he only batted twice and out of position? Pant's batting is clearly a level above Dhoni's. For all Dhoni's hype he was a flat track bully. He's not scored a single century outside Asia in ODIs or Tests. Pant at 4 would change the entire dynamic of their side

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