Topic: England tour of West Indies (Read 147727 times)

SD · « **Reply #765 on:** February 07, 2019, 11:37:52 PM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on February 07, 2019, 10:28:42 PM

Umm, SL produced flat tracks rather than sandpits. They were scared of ICC sanctions rather than winning a series. Those flat tracks allowed England to compete more effectively. Let�s not claim too much that this side beat SL on their normal wickets.. they were flat and essentially lifeless so allowed England�s strike makers the ability to not get shown up

I don't think anyone holds much fear of the ICC and Sri Lanka have prepared some dreadfully flat pitches in recent times. The ones in the series before Christmas were far from in that category. And irrespective of the pitches, our spinners took the majority of the wickets in the series, at a very good average, comprehensively out-bowling the opposition slow bowlers in the process. The team has been rightly criticised for its performances in the current series, but the win in Sri
Lanka was a significant achievement and they rightly deserve the praise they got for those performances.

LateBloomer · « **Reply #766 on:** February 08, 2019, 12:02:25 AM »

Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on February 07, 2019, 10:28:42 PM

Umm, SL produced flat tracks rather than sandpits. They were scared of ICC sanctions rather than winning a series. Those flat tracks allowed England to compete more effectively. Let�s not claim too much that this side beat SL on their normal wickets.. they were flat and essentially lifeless so allowed England�s strike makers the ability to not get shown up

Not sure what you were watching but all three pitches were turning big by the morning of the 2nd day at the latest.

You are belittling a result that no other team in international cricket has ever achieved. Just have a think about that

LateBloomer · « **Reply #767 on:** February 08, 2019, 12:15:28 AM »

Quote from: csnew on February 07, 2019, 09:32:06 PM

Wood the enforcer! Bowling at 85mph

5mph faster than Wagner

edge · « **Reply #768 on:** February 08, 2019, 06:50:35 AM »

Quote from: SD on February 07, 2019, 11:30:32 PM

The pace he registers on the speed gun isn't exceptional by any means, but he looks a yard quicker the any other England bowler on the times I have watched him bowl in person and he has one of those ugly jittery run ups and actions that make him hard to line up for a batsman. I would use him at home where other bowlers are better suited to the conditions but I don't see the we have anything better for bowling in the conditions we have seen during this tour

Not an unreasonable point on his action, but in international cricket that doesn't get you very far. To be fair the pitches have clearly not been what England were expecting so I can see why they aren't on the tour, but I'd wager the Overton twins would be mighty effective on these surfaces.

csnew · « **Reply #769 on:** February 08, 2019, 07:16:22 AM »

Quote from: LateBloomer on February 08, 2019, 12:15:28 AM

5mph faster than Wagner

Yet Wagner has a much better record and won more matches for his side. You�d pick Wagner ahead of wood.

LateBloomer · « **Reply #770 on:** February 08, 2019, 08:22:19 AM »

Quote from: edge on February 08, 2019, 06:50:35 AM

Not an unreasonable point on his action, but in international cricket that doesn't get you very far. To be fair the pitches have clearly not been what England were expecting so I can see why they aren't on the tour, but I'd wager the Overton twins would be mighty effective on these surfaces.

Having watched both a little bit, I would say that Craig will never quite be good enough as a test bowler. Jamie has wicket taking potential at that level for sure if he can stay fit

LateBloomer · « **Reply #771 on:** February 08, 2019, 09:15:48 AM »

Quote from: csnew on February 08, 2019, 07:16:22 AM

Yet Wagner has a much better record and won more matches for his side. You�d pick Wagner ahead of wood.

And to think England nearly had him aswell. If only Sussex had offered that contract

My point is that pace isnt the only attribute needed as Wagner performs his role brilliantly whilst rarely touching 85.

England should move on from Wood in the red ball set up in the near future and look to the younger bunch. Still think Wood has a role in the 50 over squad

goodarmcindy · « **Reply #772 on:** February 08, 2019, 11:06:20 AM »

When we ask which bowlers we'd like to see step up to the England set up it's slightly disheartening to look at the Lions side in India at the moment.

Porter (who might be a long-term replacement for Anderson, but seems to lack a bit of zip), Lewis Gregory (again on the medium side of fast-medium), Mullaney bowled first change and then the injury prone Zak Chappell, who I know a lot of people rate but has barely put a string of games together without getting injured.

ppccopener · « **Reply #773 on:** February 08, 2019, 11:16:10 AM »

Quote from: goodarmcindy on February 08, 2019, 11:06:20 AM

When we ask which bowlers we'd like to see step up to the England set up it's slightly disheartening to look at the Lions side in India at the moment.

Porter (who might be a long-term replacement for Anderson, but seems to lack a bit of zip), Lewis Gregory (again on the medium side of fast-medium), Mullaney bowled first change and then the injury prone Zak Chappell, who I know a lot of people rate but has barely put a string of games together without getting injured.

Yes indeed and Woakes has carried a knee injury all tour and does not seem to have been fully fit for a while.one of the Overton twins could break thru if injury free and Toby Roland Jones maybe if he recovers for this season.

I mention Woakes because he has been pencilled in to take over from Anderson long term and that may not happen, he is not I stress in Andersons class with the ball...

Stokes looks unfit for the st Lucia test also after being bowled into the ground the previous two games.

Steven Finn, again has injuries and has lost pace, doubtful whether he can regain the pace and fitness needed.

Sussex have a left arm quick and I think there is an Asian bowler highly rated at Lancs- can't remember his name at the moment

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #774 on:** February 08, 2019, 11:34:10 AM »

Woakes has an outswinger and unlike Anderson not much else This series has show though England really need an out an out 3 or 4 bursts consistently quick bowler.

SD · « **Reply #775 on:** February 08, 2019, 11:35:00 AM »

Saquib Mahmood is the lad at Lancs. He is only 21 and had played very little first class cricket but is very sharp.

Finn interviewed a while back about the lack of pace options compared to other nations and he mentioned that the long slog of county cricket not being conducive to developing express bowlers. I would probably add to that the green pitches that favour 75-82mph bowlers who can bowl consistently in the right areas over faster bowlers who may be more erratic. It makes us very strong in our own conditions but leaves the national side short of options away from hone

edge · « **Reply #776 on:** February 08, 2019, 11:36:31 AM »

Quote from: goodarmcindy on February 08, 2019, 11:06:20 AM

When we ask which bowlers we'd like to see step up to the England set up it's slightly disheartening to look at the Lions side in India at the moment.

Porter (who might be a long-term replacement for Anderson, but seems to lack a bit of zip), Lewis Gregory (again on the medium side of fast-medium), Mullaney bowled first change and then the injury prone Zak Chappell, who I know a lot of people rate but has barely put a string of games together without getting injured.

Was checking the scores earlier and wondering what the point of this Lions fixture is, looking at the side selected. I know it isn't as simple as an England second XI and there have been injuries, but it's not a great looking side is it. Why aren't Bess and Overton playing? What on earth is Steve Mullaney doing on a Lions tour? etc etc.

SD · « **Reply #777 on:** February 08, 2019, 11:43:44 AM »

Agree with the comments on the Lions make up. I don't see the point in taking players unless they are trying to develop into future options for fill England selection

Steve Mullaney also captained the North in that North v South pre-season competition that Strauss decided to introduce. Obviously someone at the ECB likes the cut it his jib but it is hard to see why from a cricketing perspective

goodarmcindy · « **Reply #778 on:** February 08, 2019, 12:31:32 PM »

Of the names mentioned, and a couple I've added in:

Saqib Mahmood - 7 FC games
Henry Brookes - 6 FC games
George Garton - 10 FC games
Zak Chappell - 14 FC games
Olly Stone - 34 FC games
Josh Tongue - 26 FC games
Pat Brown - 5 FC games
Ben Coad - 24 FC games
Tom Helm - 22 FC games

And we need to replace Anderson (238 FC) and Broad (201 FC) soon. So for all the talk of never finding an opener to replace Strauss (and now Cook) or a number three to replace Trott, who can step in and replace Broad and Anderson, because we can't even settle on the other two bowlers to complement the attack with them now.

I'm a huge Woakes fan, but I feel injuries are really starting to affect him. I think there was a side strain a couple of years ago that curtailed him in full flow and know chronic knee pain apparently. Wood is proven ineffectual at Test level. TRJ is older and suffered a stress fracture that's held him out for a while now. Craig Overton is a trier but lacks pace, as does Tom Curran. So who's left?

Feels a bit pessimistic about it at the moment. Need some of those mentioned above to have great starts to the season, and more importantly, stay fit.

six and out · « **Reply #779 on:** February 08, 2019, 12:38:49 PM »

Quote from: SD on February 08, 2019, 11:43:44 AM

Agree with the comments on the Lions make up. I don't see the point in taking players unless they are trying to develop into future options for fill England selection

Steve Mullaney also captained the North in that North v South pre-season competition that Strauss decided to introduce. Obviously someone at the ECB likes the cut it his jib but it is hard to see why from a cricketing perspective

The North vs South Series isn't just players selected by the England selectors it is 1st the top four England-qualified players in the PCA's MVP Rankings for each group of the Royal London One-Day Cup who are invited to be in the squads. Then after that the Selectors decide the rest.

Mullaney replaced Tom Moores for the Lions India tour after Moores injured his leg.

As for the general side selected I think everyone is out there who you would expect (who is fit/available), the only thing you might say is why isn't another spinner playing (but we aren't there to see the pitch etc...) - the real question is how do we class the Lions.

Is the Lions a young up and coming England side, or is it an England B team. If it is the later than there are probably players missing.

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