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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #855 on: February 09, 2019, 05:45:28 PM »

Can’t miss them with that technique.

Still, good fight shown by Burns.. well done lad
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« Reply #856 on: February 09, 2019, 06:05:13 PM »

I'm really failing to grasp what we are trying to achieve with the top order. We show no indication of gaining the impetus. We continually allow the very good Windies bowlers to do as they please. Then we collapse like a deck of cards.
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« Reply #857 on: February 09, 2019, 06:06:43 PM »

I’ll try and say something positive and I quite like Burns. Reminds me of Dean Elgar.
Not sure how long Sorry will last as skipper though.
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« Reply #858 on: February 09, 2019, 06:16:46 PM »

I'm really failing to grasp what we are trying to achieve with the top order. We show no indication of gaining the impetus. We continually allow the very good Windies bowlers to do as they please. Then we collapse like a deck of cards.

Umm, they’ve tried to do the attack method and failed time after time.. at least they are trying to apply themselves. The fact they aren’t good enough is another issue. At least they are actually trying to occupy the crease. Don’t need to assert yourself in a test..

Root and buttler look all at sea and haven’t got the memo about it being test cricket
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #859 on: February 09, 2019, 06:36:34 PM »

Burns has got fight but any movement either in or out with that technique and he is in trouble.  Whether it is nicking off to the ball moving away or playing all around the ball coming in, planting the front foot on off stump is consistently getting him out
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« Reply #860 on: February 09, 2019, 06:38:24 PM »

Burns has got fight but any movement either in or out with that technique and he is in trouble.  Whether it is nicking off to the ball moving away or playing all around the ball coming in, planting the front foot on off stump is consistently getting him out

As you’d expect from that technique. At least he applied himself which is something buttler and root aren’t doing currently
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« Reply #861 on: February 09, 2019, 07:10:17 PM »

This series has cemented that root is no where near the class of kohli
Williamson and Smith
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #862 on: February 09, 2019, 07:11:34 PM »

So much farce I don't even know where to start. How do you drop a bloke who was man of the series two tests ago? At least everyone is now batting in the right spot, that is the only good thing I can say about this mess.
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« Reply #863 on: February 09, 2019, 07:40:00 PM »

This series has cemented that root is no where near the class of kohli
Williamson and Smith

Yes out of the big four he is forth. He is the best batsman I've seen for England since Gooch, potentially our best ever player.

That's a big call I know, to achieve what he wants he needs to concentrate on just batting. I genuinely believe he could be in the company of those three.

we have a history of making our best player Captain and it don't always work.
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« Reply #864 on: February 09, 2019, 07:56:25 PM »

So much farce I don't even know where to start. How do you drop a bloke who was man of the series two tests ago? At least everyone is now batting in the right spot, that is the only good thing I can say about this mess.
Because he lacks bowling skills as was mentioned on air by Ian Bishop
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #865 on: February 09, 2019, 07:59:30 PM »

@alexhilly1492 on TV alert!

Good to see Stokes looking a bit more like Stokes here, been a bit absent the past year.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #866 on: February 09, 2019, 08:24:03 PM »

Umm, they’ve tried to do the attack method and failed time after time.. at least they are trying to apply themselves. The fact they aren’t good enough is another issue. At least they are actually trying to occupy the crease. Don’t need to assert yourself in a test..

Root and buttler look all at sea and haven’t got the memo about it being test cricket
When I say impetus I’m not talking about batting like Sehwag/Warner/Gayle. I’m talking about actually trying to score runs and rotate the strike. Just endlessly blocking results in the Windies bowlers having no pressure on their shoulders.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #867 on: February 09, 2019, 08:40:34 PM »

Do you dislike Foakes because his name sounds similar to Woakes?

I like him just can't see how or where he fits into this England team
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« Reply #868 on: February 09, 2019, 08:58:14 PM »

I like him just can't see how or where he fits into this England team

He doesn't fit now quite right, but that's because we have stopped picking our strongest 11 to win a match,and when this tour is over I hope someone will be accountable for that. He should fit into the team in the tradional keepers spot of number 7.

Failing that they should be asking who is the better batsman out of

Foakes
Denly
Jennings

If I was to put them in order who is the best,the above would be it.last two first class average is 35,first one FC average is 40-averages are not everything agreed....but over a period they show who is any good.

But England have ended Foakes test career after being man of the series for the last one, it beggars belief to be honest.

We are set now, come the Ashes and green tracks here we might not even play a spinner, we revert to a batsman-keeper.
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Re: England tour of West Indies
« Reply #869 on: February 09, 2019, 09:02:34 PM »

Your right England mentality Batsman first keeper second as been for a while.
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