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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #75 on: March 25, 2019, 09:36:30 PM »

The ball is nowhere near the release point. Buttler needs to stay in until he sees the ball at the release point according to the law. This is exactly the type of dismissal the new law encourages and yet when we see it people seem surprised

Nowhere near point of delivery? He jumps into his delivery stride, which is generally when you'd expect him to deliver the ball isn't it? If he'd have competed his action then I don't think Butler would have been out of his ground at the point of release, but obviously was by the time he stopped, turned and took the bails off.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #76 on: March 25, 2019, 09:37:14 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ7izzDdxMU

Wow, he looks pissed off!

It is moments  like in cricket where I wish I stump mics were on and I could hear the full exchange.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #77 on: March 25, 2019, 09:43:01 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ7izzDdxMU

Wow, he looks pissed off!

It is moments  like in cricket where I wish I stump mics were on and I could hear the full exchange.

They'd have to be incredibly sensitive stump mics to pick up an exchange near the boundary! ;)
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #78 on: March 25, 2019, 09:47:20 PM »

:D

I meant after the mankad itself.

But Jos' coach/manager had strong words too after Jos walked on...
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #79 on: March 25, 2019, 09:54:34 PM »

Should not have been given out if following the rule. At the point of deemed release, he was in.
Not happy with Ashwin's behavior.  :(
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #80 on: March 25, 2019, 09:55:11 PM »

As much as I love a Mankad - in this case I don't think Jos should have been given out under the letter of the law...
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #81 on: March 25, 2019, 09:57:45 PM »

Played the footage back carefully earlier, Buttler's definitely not in his crease at the time you'd expect Ashwin to have let go of the ball if he'd continued. Amazed Buttler's got done like this again to be honest!
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #82 on: March 25, 2019, 10:06:28 PM »

In the other thread the majority seemed to think it was fair game in a kids match and now the balance swings the other way

I was one of those who took the view strongly that Mankading is a grubby way to go about playing the game.  This is exactly the sort of behaviour that diminishes the game
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #83 on: March 25, 2019, 10:10:58 PM »

Batter needs to stay in his crease until the ball is bowled. If you don’t watch the ball then it’s your risk. Buttler is known to steal yards so teams should target these players.

Not saying I like it btw, Just it’s a valid dismissal and while sledging, nicking off and not walking etc are deemed acceptable then so should this
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #84 on: March 25, 2019, 10:53:08 PM »

^ Then why are Shane Warne, Morgan, Roy, and others making noise about this?
« Last Edit: March 25, 2019, 11:04:14 PM by InternalTraining »
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #85 on: March 26, 2019, 01:13:42 AM »

I was going to say that it was impossible for an umpire to determine if Butler was out of his ground at the "normal point of release", and how could the average club umpire ever hope to get that right?

But looking up the laws of cricket I'm still a little unclear.

From the MCC laws of cricket effective Oct 2017 :-
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41.16 Non-striker leaving his/her ground early.
If the non-striker is out of his/her ground from the moment the ball comes into play to the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the bowler is permitted to attempt to run him/her out. Whether the attempt is successful or not, the ball shall not count as one in the over.
If the bowler fails in an attempt to run out the non-striker, the umpire shall call and signal Dead ball as soon as possible.

So based on that, Ashwin did not attempt the run out in between the ball coming into play and expected release of the ball.  The wicket was broken much after 'expected release', so according to that, it should have been not out, and given a dead ball.

Unless I've downloaded the wrong rules of cricket?

Edit - would appear I've been reading it wrong, as the rule does not state that the run out attempt must be made between ball in play and expected release.  I thought the rule was meant to weed out mankads after the point of release, but the wording of the rule does not do this.

Adding a comma makes a huge difference.
If the non-striker is out of his/her ground from the moment the ball comes into play to the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the bowler is permitted to attempt to run him/her out.

If the non-striker is out of his/her ground, from the moment the ball comes into play to the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the bowler is permitted to attempt to run him/her out.




« Last Edit: March 26, 2019, 01:49:47 AM by Chompy9760 »
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2019, 01:17:07 AM »

Dozy from Jos, watch the bowler to make sure he's released the ball before you leave the crease. This is literally schoolboy stuff.

Mankads continue to be the best.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #87 on: March 26, 2019, 01:49:16 AM »

It’s time we see more dismissals like this - that’s the only way batsmen will learn

Just need to get rid of the grey areas

Is Jos the only batsman to be mankad twice ?
The first time (2014 vs SL) I believe he was warned twice before being mankad - so maybe he’s had a reputation on the international circuit as a mankad candidate.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #89 on: March 26, 2019, 02:30:00 AM »

It's pretty clear that Ashwin had no intention of bowling the ball and letting Buttler just walk out of the crease, poor sportsmanship, and it speaks volumes about Ashwin as an individual. Regardless of the rules, if you choose to conduct yourself like that on the field then don't be surprised when your reputation and legacy are justifiably questioned and subsequently diminished.
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