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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #90 on: March 26, 2019, 06:37:03 AM »
Quote from: InternalTraining on March 26, 2019, 02:26:41 AM


https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/cricket-world-divided-over-interpretation-of-ridiculous-cricket-rule/news-story/11ade1c6af796aced102036d4cfb0c04

That picture clearly shows that Ashwin is a cheat. He clearly looks about to release the ball and Buttler still behind the line. What next? Will it be ok if the bowler continues his action, but release it so that it goes backwards into the stumps behind! Would that be fair?
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #91 on: March 26, 2019, 07:40:06 AM »
Its disgusting. He had no intention of bowling that ball

How anyone can read and interpret the rules and still think that is acceptable, then your probably a massive bell end as well. That's just not cricket, end of. He has deceived Buttler, I dont see it being to dissimilar to fake fielding, which is now 5 penalty runs. He has pretended to bowl the ball, to gain an unfair advantage and trick a batsmen. As everyone with a brain has said, Buttler was in his crease a long time and would have been upon normal ball release. To make it even worse hes come out and tried to claim it was never planned. Bore off Ashwin, you are a cheat, you have history of this kind of thing, and what an example set as captain to the rest of your side and millions watching. BCCI wont act on it, hes one of their golden boys. Whole thing stinks
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #92 on: March 26, 2019, 12:54:17 PM »
FWIW, I don't see that Buttler was trying to steal a yard on this occasion, at the (expected) point of delivery he was clearly within his ground.  This is in contrast with his 2014 Mankad against SL when it looked very much as if he was - and had been warned before.  I agree with @DorsetDan that the law change does appear to encourage players to do this (and this incident will no doubt spawn countless imitators) which is absolute madness.  Outside the international arena, with the benefit of the 3rd umpire, it's unenforceable.  No umpire could possibly call a dismissal like this as they're focused on the batsmen once they've stopped looking at the front line for a no ball, he'd need eyes in the back of his head, so we're likely to see ugly scenes up and down the country as bowlers try it on, (marginally) within the law.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #93 on: March 26, 2019, 01:47:24 PM »
Quote from: InternalTraining on March 26, 2019, 02:26:41 AM


https://www.news.com.au/sport/cricket/cricket-world-divided-over-interpretation-of-ridiculous-cricket-rule/news-story/11ade1c6af796aced102036d4cfb0c04

Regarding actual incident, I was favouring ashwin as if its in rules and umpire gave it out means it wasnt wrong doing. BUT after watching actual clip today I say Ashwin was wrong. Butler wasnt going anywhere. He Advanced as he was expecting a ball bowled and watching the ball. Ashwin stopped and ran him out and Butler didnt see ball bowled and looked back then realised what happened.

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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #94 on: March 26, 2019, 02:13:47 PM »
Quote from: InternalTraining on March 25, 2019, 10:53:08 PM
^ Then why are Shane Warne, Morgan, Roy, and others making noise about this?

When is Shane Warne NOT making noise?

Anyway, next time I'm stumped because my foot slid outside the crease by half an inch I'm going to kick up a huge fuss about the spirit of cricket. Just like if I ever bowl a no ball I'm going to get mopey as all hell because I'm obviously not intending to gain any advantage, its just an accident and why should I be punished?

Obviously I'm kidding because I've never been stumped on a marginal call, nor have I ever bowled a single front foot no-ball because there is a ruddy great white line painted on the ground and I make sure I stay behind it.
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Re: IPL 2019 pay day
« Reply #95 on: March 26, 2019, 02:19:13 PM »
Quote from: smilley792 on March 24, 2019, 04:17:31 PM
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Cracking one handed six remind me of @Simmy

hahah hopefully that's a thing of the past now
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #96 on: March 26, 2019, 02:28:20 PM »
Quote from: Big Mac on March 26, 2019, 02:13:47 PM
When is Shane Warne NOT making noise?

Morgan, Roy, and others are up in arms too.

I think (I am speculating here) there are few things going on which have some of the players riled up:

1. If Virat Kohli is mankadded, the level of noise would be far higher than it is now which is my Shane Warne is unhappy.
2. Upcoming WC 2019 could see another repeat of this ugly drama where Ashwin would use this trick and others won't. More ugliness.
3. Mankad is extremely hard to call in a club/league game and considering dwindling support for Cricket outside India, there is another negative for young people considering the sport.

Ben Stokes tweeted that he will "never ever ever'' mankad Virat Kohli in the WC final. That says something.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #97 on: March 26, 2019, 02:29:34 PM »
Quote from: DorsetDan on March 26, 2019, 09:26:51 AM

If the bowler goes through the action and holds on to the ball past where they would have released it then they aren't entitled to run out the non-striker. Any time before that release point, with the ball in play, they are entitled to run out the non-striker. All these pictures of where the front foot is or whatever are nonsense, the only question is was the bowler past the point of release in their action when the attempt the run out.

In this instance, Jos Butler was not stealing the yard, he was moving with the bowler. Ashwin tricked him.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #98 on: March 26, 2019, 03:03:50 PM »
Ashwin is a fan of mankading - he did it back in 2012 but the captain at the time withdrew it

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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #99 on: March 26, 2019, 03:05:42 PM »
DC vs CSK on right now and very interesting commentary on BBC Sport 5 Live.

Basically the commentators were saying that Harbhajan could have done the Mankad all throughout his 1st 2 overs if he wanted to as Iyer and Dhawan weren't in at the point of release.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #100 on: March 26, 2019, 03:07:55 PM »
Quote from: six and out on March 26, 2019, 03:05:42 PM
DC vs CSK on right now and very interesting commentary on BBC Sport 5 Live.

Basically the commentators were saying that Harbhajan could have done the Mankad all throughout his 1st 2 overs if he wanted to as Iyer and Dhawan weren't in at the point of release.

He's just stopped but not taken the bails off - surely that's the warning
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #101 on: March 26, 2019, 03:45:48 PM »
Maybe this issue should be managed in a different way. When a bowler oversteps the crease, the umpire calls it as a no-ball. How about, if the non-striker 'over-steps', the umpire calls in a similar way, and any runs scored by the striker are voided. This would force the non-striker to stay within his ground for fear of significant negative effect to his team, and thus the Mankad would no longer be an option for the bowling side.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #102 on: March 26, 2019, 03:52:42 PM »
Isnæt it just easiest to say, if you leave your ground before the ball is released you are at risk of being run out.

Nice and easy for all to understand, and the only likely end product is batsmen have to run a bit further. or is there something there I'm missing?
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #103 on: March 26, 2019, 04:11:23 PM »
What's next though - keepers waiting 5/10 seconds until a batter lifts his foot to stump him? Be interesting to see if this happens again in the IPL now.
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Re: IPL 2019
« Reply #104 on: March 26, 2019, 04:29:20 PM »
Quote from: DorsetDan on March 26, 2019, 03:51:18 PM
I like the idea but it would be hugely disruptive to a bowler unless there is a bigger penalty for over stepping.

I was thinking about this and as a batsman, on strike, I'd find it "disruptive" if the bowler was looking to constantly trick the non-striker into a mankad.

Mankad disrupts the flow of a game. Which is another reason there is a furore over Butler's dismissal: on-strike batsman now has to contend with a possibility (and always on the alert that) bowler could pull a mankad on the non-striker.

Yes, it is legal but not good for business.

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