Topic: IPL 2019 (Read 72240 times)

Kulli · « **Reply #120 on:** March 26, 2019, 06:26:20 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on March 26, 2019, 05:24:08 PM

This is not proper evidence. No frame by frame showing what happened when.

The ball is clearly still in the bowlers hand and he is clearly out of his ground. Or are you suggesting that somehow in all the photos the ball not being released is an optical illusion?

Or in what other order do you think evens might have happened with a frame by frame?

Big Mac · « **Reply #121 on:** March 26, 2019, 07:06:42 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on March 26, 2019, 02:28:20 PM

Morgan, Roy, and others are up in arms too.

I think (I am speculating here) there are few things going on which have some of the players riled up:

1. If Virat Kohli is mankadded, the level of noise would be far higher than it is now which is my Shane Warne is unhappy.
2. Upcoming WC 2019 could see another repeat of this ugly drama where Ashwin would use this trick and others won't. More ugliness.
3. Mankad is extremely hard to call in a club/league game and considering dwindling support for Cricket outside India, there is another negative for young people considering the sport.

Ben Stokes tweeted that he will "never ever ever'' mankad Virat Kohli in the WC final. That says something.

1) Mankads (and the ensuing clutching of pearls) are always hilarious

2) If Kohli is dismissed via Mankad when he's on 99 in the World Cup final against Pakistan it will be objectively the funniest thing to ever happen throughout all of time and space. If Mohammed Amir is the one to Mankad him then it would so impossibly funny that the universe might just implode from the hilarity.

3) Forgive me for not giving a single damn about Ben Stokes weighing in as a moral arbiter on anything

4) I would put the number of young children that have ever thought "I like the look of this cricket malarkey but this Mankad thing is giving me second thoughts" at being ooooh...about zero

5) Did I mention that Mankads are hilarious? I mean my man here has literally done the "Won't someone think of the children?" thing. That's just brilliant.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #122 on:** March 26, 2019, 07:24:17 PM »

^ I wish I shared your enthusiasm.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #123 on:** March 26, 2019, 07:30:53 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on March 26, 2019, 06:26:20 PM

The ball is clearly still in the bowlers hand and he is clearly out of his ground. Or are you suggesting that somehow in all the photos the ball not being released is an optical illusion?

Or in what other order do you think evens might have happened with a frame by frame?

Human eye doesn't see events x frames/sec like a camera does. So huge deal if snap shots show Butler outside the crease. When we don't see the full range of motion, we can't ascertain Butler's intent to steal a yard (or not). From all the pictures so far, he is not stealing a yard.

I have stood on non-striker end too and I do move with the bowler. Maybe I move out of the crease after the "release" maybe before. I can't tell but I know that my intention is NOT to move out before the release. Can my human eyes (not a camera with x frame/sec shutter speed) do it accurately everytime? I don't know.

Butler was setup deliberately. Now video teams all over are looking at how each batsman moves at non-striker end to get them mankaded. Lame!

Kulli · « **Reply #124 on:** March 26, 2019, 07:33:50 PM »

Batsmen will just have to learn not to leave the crease to early then, in accordance with the laws.

Buttler has always had an issue with leaving the crease too early, why should he be allowed that advantage over others?

InternalTraining · « **Reply #125 on:** March 26, 2019, 07:58:35 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on March 26, 2019, 07:33:50 PM

Batsmen will just have to learn not to leave the crease to early then, in accordance with the laws.

Human umpires can't call it clearly if too close. Not enforceable at club level.

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Buttler has always had an issue with leaving the crease too early, why should he be allowed that advantage over others?

Question you should ask is why did Shreyas Iyer get a warning from Herbajan Singh today and Jos Butler didn't get one yesterday.

Kulli · « **Reply #126 on:** March 26, 2019, 08:03:15 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on March 26, 2019, 07:58:35 PM

Human umpires can't call it clearly if too close. Not enforceable at club level.

Question you should ask is why did Shreyas Iyer get a warning from Herbajan Singh today and Jos Butler didn't get one yesterday.

They manage to have stumpings with human umpires just fine.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #127 on:** March 26, 2019, 08:07:52 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on March 26, 2019, 08:03:15 PM

They manage to have stumpings with human umpires just fine.

No, not close ones. Which is why at the international level, they use reviews and slow-mo cameras. Club level umpiring is horrible to begin with.

You and mankad crew are defending the indefensible.

Harbajan is smart, he brought back the un-written "warning" rule into effect. Had he proceeded with cheap trick like yesterday, mankading would've become another "strategy" (or plan) for teams to explore.

Lame!

Big Mac · « **Reply #128 on:** March 26, 2019, 10:07:38 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on March 26, 2019, 08:07:52 PM

No, not close ones. Which is why at the international level, they use reviews and slow-mo cameras. Club level umpiring is horrible to begin with.

You and mankad crew are defending the indefensible.

Harbajan is smart, he brought back the un-written "warning" rule into effect. Had he proceeded with cheap trick like yesterday, mankading would've become another "strategy" (or plan) for teams to explore.

Lame!

So can all batsmen expect warnings before being stumped if they play and miss and their front foot drags forward a bit?

They're gaining far less of an advantage than a batsman who backs up 6 inches too far after all, they have no intention at all of setting off for a run while a Mankad victim leaves his crease in order to be ready to run.

edge · « **Reply #129 on:** March 26, 2019, 10:11:01 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on March 26, 2019, 05:24:08 PM

This is not proper evidence. No frame by frame showing what happened when.

stevat · « **Reply #130 on:** March 27, 2019, 12:25:32 AM »

With Kulli on this to an extent, no one player should be afforded an advantage - whilst it may be an unusual form of dismissal, it is within the laws of the game and thus perfectly legitimate. I was always told when young to drag my bat behind me leaving it in the crease until the bowler had let go the ball, you've still gained a yard and a bit but done it without giving the bowler the opportunity to have you cheaply.

That said, I can imagine the furore if something like this got Kohli or Smith et al out cheaply in a World Cup final - effectively robbing the audience of a star in a huge game?!?!

HellomynameisJ · « **Reply #131 on:** March 27, 2019, 12:29:28 AM »

Quote from: stevat on March 27, 2019, 12:25:32 AM

With Kulli on this to an extent, no one player should be afforded an advantage - whilst it may be an unusual form of dismissal, it is within the laws of the game and thus perfectly legitimate. I was always told when young to drag my bat behind me leaving it in the crease until the bowler had let go the ball, you've still gained a yard and a bit but done it without giving the bowler the opportunity to have you cheaply.

That said, I can imagine the furore if something like this got Kohli or Smith et al out cheaply in a World Cup final - effectively robbing the audience of a star in a huge game?!?!

I don't have an issue with Mankading at all, but there needs to be room for context in the law, there was no advantage for buttler in this case, Ashwin clearly didn't intend on bowling the delivery and therefore the whole act was entirely dishonest and completely against the spirit of the game.

Kulli · « **Reply #132 on:** March 27, 2019, 06:30:20 AM »

Quote from: HellomynameisJ on March 27, 2019, 12:29:28 AM

I don't have an issue with Mankading at all, but there needs to be room for context in the law, there was no advantage for buttler in this case, Ashwin clearly didn't intend on bowling the delivery and therefore the whole act was entirely dishonest and completely against the spirit of the game.

Why if there was an attempted run out at the leper�s end and Buttler made it by a cm? Would he not then be rewarded for stealing 3-4cm? Or would he see the replay and walk?

HellomynameisJ · « **Reply #133 on:** March 27, 2019, 06:49:24 AM »

Quote from: Kulli on March 27, 2019, 06:30:20 AM

Why if there was an attempted run out at the leper�s end and Buttler made it by a cm? Would he not then be rewarded for stealing 3-4cm? Or would he see the replay and walk?

Buttler didn't steal anything? He was in his ground when Ashwin was reasonably expected to bowl the ball.

Kulli · « **Reply #134 on:** March 27, 2019, 06:52:00 AM »

Haven�t you seen the 10+ photos from the same game of him out of his ground while the bowler still has the ball in his hand?

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