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Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« on: January 11, 2019, 06:23:57 PM »
Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore, two promising young batsmen, have been stood down from the England Lions tour to India that departs Saturday in light of details that emerged during the trial of their former Worcestershire teammate Alex Hepburn

Pair out of England Lions tour over Alex Hepburn trial revelations

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/jan/11/pair-out-england-lions-tour-alex-hepburn-trial-revelations?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
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Re: Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2019, 07:34:01 PM »
At the wrong time for Joe Clarke especially who continues to make Lions contributions to get into the main team.

whilst the dtls of the case are unpleasant neither those two mentioned have done anything wrong In the eyes of the law or are changed with anything
 
So by just being mentioned in the case they have lost their places.

You do wonder if the decision of the ECB would of  been the same if the two cricketers were more high profile.

It's a fine line making moral judgements that affect careers when no law has been broken.
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Re: Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2019, 08:11:09 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on January 11, 2019, 07:34:01 PM
At the wrong time for Joe Clarke especially who continues to make Lions contributions to get into the main team.

whilst the dtls of the case are unpleasant neither those two mentioned have done anything wrong In the eyes of the law or are changed with anything
 
So by just being mentioned in the case they have lost their places.

You do wonder if the decision of the ECB would of  been the same if the two cricketers were more high profile.

It's a fine line making moral judgements that affect careers when no law has been broken.

Maybe it’s right the ECB start to stand up to these things? Pro sports is a privilege after all and such a short career for a lot of money..hardly hard not to just stay clean .. many other jobs and roles require far more or you lose your job.. no ifs or guts or ‘such a talent’ ‘don’t blame him, he’s just xyz’
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Re: Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2019, 08:23:24 PM »
I'd been wondering if something like this might happen given the similarities to the rape case involving the Irish rugby players. I guess once that kind of precedent has been set, the ECB had to be seen to be following suit?
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2019, 08:32:15 PM »
I don’t like the fact there being punished for messages sent in private, if they checked every player in the England team I guarantee they would find stuff just as bad
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Re: Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2019, 10:53:20 PM »
Is anyone replacing them?
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Re: Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2019, 11:23:09 PM »
The whatsapp group does sound a bit scummy to me so I am happy the ECB has brought them back down to earth a bit.

Hopefully the bad publicity the case will bring will make them focus on cricket as they could both compete for England spots in the future.
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Re: Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2019, 12:39:07 AM »
Quote from: LateBloomer on January 11, 2019, 11:23:09 PM
The whatsapp group does sound a bit scummy to me so I am happy the ECB has brought them back down to earth a bit.

Hopefully the bad publicity the case will bring will make them focus on cricket as they could both compete for England spots in the future.

It does sound scummy, and speaks of the moral character of the people involved - but TKC I think can count himself a little unlucky seeing as there is apparently no evidence that he was involved in that chat, just they think he was mentioned by other people as 'Tom'
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Re: Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2019, 07:53:51 AM »
Quote from: stevat on January 12, 2019, 12:39:07 AM
It does sound scummy, and speaks of the moral character of the people involved - but TKC I think can count himself a little unlucky seeing as there is apparently no evidence that he was involved in that chat, just they think he was mentioned by other people as 'Tom'

I thibk we can say with some certainty the Tom involved was him given the ECB’s response.

Tom Curran seems to still be available for selection!
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Re: Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2019, 08:25:33 AM »
Retrial has been granted.
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Re: Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2019, 12:09:27 PM »
Tom Moores and Will Jacks called up to the lions (staggered at Jacks being called up he isn't even in the Surrey 1st team)
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Re: Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2019, 12:29:54 PM »
Watched a bit of Moores last year, unorthodox but definitely has a good eye. Very different bat to Clarke or TKC
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Re: Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2019, 01:42:11 PM »
Tom Moores is a crazier pick than Jacks.

He just has a dip on the Trent Bridge Road with the boundaries brought in to short cover.
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Re: Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2019, 02:25:29 PM »
Moore’s is a joke,

Only in the Notts side coz daddy is coach, I said before the season we need a better keeper batsman

Can’t believe billy root never got a chance and moved and Moore’s plays so much!
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Re: Joe Clarke and Tom Kohler-Cadmore dropped from the lions
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2019, 02:41:55 PM »
With some of the names being plucked out you only hope Hameed has been left out on purpose as that is deemed the best course of action for him at this time.

Otherwise he really needs to get back on the horse to recapture his 2016 form.
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