Topic: Ashes 2019 (Read 20674 times)

jonny77 · « **Reply #60 on:** February 14, 2019, 02:18:36 PM »

Is that his first class average, or his test average over a very short period? Averages can be used as an indicator but not the be all and end all. It's just an opinion, but I rate Barstows ability slightly higher as a batsmen. Not that I don't like Foakes, I rate him a lot but if it's a direct choice I'd take Barstow.

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #61 on:** February 14, 2019, 02:35:03 PM »

Quote from: jonny77 on February 14, 2019, 02:18:36 PM

Is that his first class average, or his test average over a very short period? Averages can be used as an indicator but not the be all and end all. It's just an opinion, but I rate Barstows ability slightly higher as a batsmen. Not that I don't like Foakes, I rate him a lot but if it's a direct choice I'd take Barstow.

Averages might not be the be all and end all but in Bairstow's case they paint the picture very clearly. Bairstow one good year(2016) he averaged 59 with 3 centuries. Whereas the remaining 40 odd Tests he averages 29. Bairstow's 2016 feats have clearly been overrated and furthermore should really be considered a fluke. Bairstow's is overrated...Massively

SD · « **Reply #62 on:** February 14, 2019, 06:04:34 PM »

I would have Foakes in my side over Bairstow at the moment and I have been very unimpressed with the attitude Bairstow has displayed in the last 12 months. That said I think some of the criticism of the selection decision has been over the top.

Bairstow wasn't in line to be dropped when he missed 2 tests due to injury, and whilst Foakes couldn't have done any more than he had having been given the chance, it is too early in his career to say that he would be a better option with the bat. My observation from which him in the CC and in his brief England career is that he is another player he plants in off stump than plays across the line. Sri Lanka neither had the pace of bowler or pitch to exploit that but he found life much harder on the Windies. We don't have the benefit of seeing these guys train, but those that do need to make a judgment as to who is likely to make more runs against a quick Aussie attack during the summer

billyb · « **Reply #63 on:** February 14, 2019, 06:09:12 PM »

Foakes is still 25. He's not that early really in his career, and given that he is regarded as the best gloveman in England, isn't doing too badly. I really struggle to see how it you know he's the best gloveman, and he's scored a test ton already... How can you leave him out?

Ultimately I think we either needed Root to bat 3, or Bairstow to make it his own. He didn't...

We're kind of forgetting Anderson. Is this his last series?

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #64 on:** February 14, 2019, 07:27:29 PM »

With his fitness and the way he's bowling can't see him calling it a day with England.

ppccopener · « **Reply #65 on:** February 14, 2019, 07:37:44 PM »

He bowled well without much luck I thought, same for Broad. Jimmy looked a bit ragged at times but that may be doing a load of bowling and seeing us wiped out with the bat in half a day.

Looks fit thou and it's South Africa in the winter. worryingly he seems fitter than his potential successor CW.

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #66 on:** February 14, 2019, 07:51:08 PM »

Think Anderson is fading tbh, his speeds where down in the Caribbean aside from the first innings in Barbados and second innings in St Lucia. Better to retire on a high of winning the Ashes back, IIRC Anderson has won 4 Ashes(record for England is 5 Botham and Bell). Not much left to achieve after Ashes victory number 5

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #67 on:** February 14, 2019, 09:06:20 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on February 14, 2019, 07:37:44 PM

He bowled well without much luck I thought, same for Broad. Jimmy looked a bit ragged at times but that may be doing a load of bowling and seeing us wiped out with the bat in half a day.

Looks fit thou and it's South Africa in the winter. worryingly he seems fitter than his potential successor CW.

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Your right he looked ragged after the first test England got the team wrong he was over bowled in that test.
Pretty confident he will win the Ashes for England with the Duke Ball.

billyb · « **Reply #68 on:** February 14, 2019, 09:07:25 PM »

I tend to concur. I think he may well turn around if we win and decide enough is enough. Who could blame him?

SD · « **Reply #69 on:** February 14, 2019, 09:25:06 PM »

I would be surprised if Jimmy was contemplating retirement. Despite conditions not favouring kiss the deck swing bowling, he ended the series with a good return and the time he spent with Chris Silverwood remodelling his run up doesn't suggest to me to be someone about to call it a day

Kulli · « **Reply #70 on:** February 14, 2019, 09:46:10 PM »

In interviews he very much gives the impression that he�ll keep playing until he just isn�t good enough any more, and it feels like he�s a long way from being shot for the moment.

ppccopener · « **Reply #71 on:** February 14, 2019, 10:14:55 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on February 14, 2019, 09:46:10 PM

In interviews he very much gives the impression that he�ll keep playing until he just isn�t good enough any more, and it feels like he�s a long way from being shot for the moment.

Yes but touch wood so far injuries have been managed, and hopefully it continues that way,similar to glen McGrath who seemed to stay fit thru all that bowling(apart from treading on that ball at Edgebaston!)

Broad by and large has avoided injury as well. I know neither play one dayers but they do a lot of bowling, we seem to play 10 months of the year.

billyb · « **Reply #72 on:** February 14, 2019, 11:25:56 PM »

Broad is now 8th on the all-time wicket takers list.

golders · « **Reply #73 on:** February 15, 2019, 12:16:44 AM »

Quote from: billyb on February 14, 2019, 11:25:56 PM

Broad is now 8th on the all-time wicket takers list.

Would be 7th if all his catches were taken off his bowling

billyb · « **Reply #74 on:** February 15, 2019, 12:29:19 AM »

Quote from: golders on February 15, 2019, 12:16:44 AM

Would be 7th if all his catches were taken off his bowling

I once had 35/6 catches dropped off me in one season as a young leggie. I might have played at a higher level if 20 of them had been taken

in my dreams!

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