Topic: Planting my front foot (Read 15530 times)

SLA · « **Reply #45 on:** April 24, 2019, 09:30:29 PM »

Quote from: Cys1 on April 24, 2019, 07:36:11 PM

It would be very naive to think that so many successful players and coaches would mention this cliche� without there being any truth to it.
But let�s just have a look to see if this does have any science to it.
Lead with your head is a simplified way to convey the idea that for best results when playing off the front foot your body needs to aligned with the ball. It�s not a wholly accurate description of everything that needs to happen when playing off the front foot but it covers most parts which makes it an ideal term to use for the majority of cricketer who do not have the opportunity to get good 1:1 coaching. The secret is that you need your body to move towards the line of the ball and leave you in a position make contact with the ball and play an attacking or defensive stroke that should ideally not get you out. You would then be looking to transfer Force from your bat to the ball as optimally as possible. Based on sound physics principles we know that Force is linked to Mass ( Weight ) and therefore weight transfer ( another cliche ) into the line of the ball is essential to maximize the Force imparted onto the ball on contact with the bat. This would be rather difficult to with your head leaning backwards and hence the expression lead with your head.

I think that you would find a lot of science at the heart of many of these cliche�s. They are all just simplified and palatable ways of trying to convey more complex principles.

You don't transfer your weight 'into the ball'. At best, you transfer your weight from one foot to the other. Nothing goes 'into the ball'. Any additional bat velocity generated is negligible. The most likely impact is that the last minute movement of your head leads to a poor connection.

There's a reason why baseball hitters are consistently able to hit the ball 150m without their weight moving onto the front foot. Try to explain this pseudoscienctific gibberish to a baseball coach and they'd think you were retarded.

SLA · « **Reply #46 on:** April 24, 2019, 09:31:49 PM »

Quote from: Kez on April 24, 2019, 09:21:56 PM

Don�t we all have to wear grey shorts and share gear to be invited?

You wear whites to nets?

goodarmcindy · « **Reply #47 on:** April 24, 2019, 09:38:42 PM »

I came into this thread because I too have this issue and a few seasons ago I was out nearly every week LBW playing around my front pad. The only thing I found that helped was to introduce a small trigger movement that saw my back foot point down the ground, which, I think through making me momentarily imbalanced, meant my front foot had to move to find a more natural position. It's certainly helped me play straighter better.

However, reading the whole thread has now seen me looking up baseball coaching techniques, and from what I can see (and what I already thought) isn't weight transfer fundamental to a baseball swing? Don't most batters transfer weight back in a load up phase before an explosive movement fires the weight forward? That weight might not move forward of the front leg, but it has to go somewhere, no?

Kez · « **Reply #48 on:** April 24, 2019, 09:45:12 PM »

But baseballs fly completely differently to a cricket ball due to the aerodynamics of the seam. Added to the fact the only hit full tosses means the balls travel further...

And the mechanics of a FF drive is totally different to that of a baseball swing...

Of course I don�t wear whites to nets... I was commenting on your magical T20 league where the best players turn up in shorts

SLA · « **Reply #49 on:** April 24, 2019, 09:50:45 PM »

Quote from: goodarmcindy on April 24, 2019, 09:38:42 PM

I came into this thread because I too have this issue and a few seasons ago I was out nearly every week LBW playing around my front pad. The only thing I found that helped was to introduce a small trigger movement that saw my back foot point down the ground, which, I think through making me momentarily imbalanced, meant my front foot had to move to find a more natural position. It's certainly helped me play straighter better.

However, reading the whole thread has now seen me looking up baseball coaching techniques, and from what I can see (and what I already thought) isn't weight transfer fundamental to a baseball swing? Don't most batters transfer weight back in a load up phase before an explosive movement fires the weight forward? That weight might not move forward of the front leg, but it has to go somewhere, no?

Google 'rotational mechanics'. There is little to no linear weight transfer involved in a baseball hit. It's all about the 'proximal to distal kinetic chain' as Kez would put it, or 'hips, arms, wrists' as we always teach our hitters.

Ironically, there was once a thing called 'linear mechanics' that was taught to kids, but it was (No Swearing Please). No pro hitter ever hit like this. It was debunked and abandoned 20 years ago.

It would be great if we could debunk and abandon similarly wrong ideas in cricket, like leading with the head or transferring your weight into the ball, but as you can see from this thread, people are incredibly irrationally attached to them.

SLA · « **Reply #50 on:** April 24, 2019, 09:51:55 PM »

Quote from: Kez on April 24, 2019, 09:45:12 PM

But baseballs fly completely differently to a cricket ball due to the aerodynamics of the seam. Added to the fact the only hit full tosses means the balls travel further...

And the mechanics of a FF drive is totally different to that of a baseball swing...

Of course I don�t wear whites to nets... I was commenting on your magical T20 league where the best players turn up in shorts

Lol, what. No they don't. You're really out of you're depth now.

SLA · « **Reply #51 on:** April 24, 2019, 09:54:16 PM »

Quote from: DorsetDan on April 24, 2019, 09:45:44 PM

So how do baseball players hit a ball miles? Just by standing still and generating bat acceleration in to the ball with the hands? Of course they don't teach about loading, launching and following through... of course a golf swing is all in the hands and that is how pros approach the game. Nothing to do with the hips/ legs/ body. Absolutely not.

I'm off to chastise myself for biting yet again

Neither baseball nor golf involve linear weight transfer.

I mean, geez, feel free to argue about cricket but are you really going to argue with me about baseball too? Ever heard of dunning kruger syndrome?

jonny77 · « **Reply #52 on:** April 24, 2019, 10:07:58 PM »

I love it when everyone gets along. Such great use of a forum to talk to everyone like they're idiots and they know nothing. It really makes me feel like listening to that person and feel lucky to have the opportunity to learn and expand my tiny little brain. Think England are looking for a coach soon SLA

SLA · « **Reply #53 on:** April 24, 2019, 10:13:34 PM »

Quote from: jonny77 on April 24, 2019, 10:07:58 PM

I love it when everyone gets along. Such great use of a forum to talk to everyone like they're idiots and they know nothing. It really makes me feel like listening to that person and feel lucky to have the opportunity to learn and expand my tiny little brain. Think England are looking for a coach soon SLA

International cricketers shouldn't require advice on biomechanics.

SLA · « **Reply #54 on:** April 24, 2019, 10:33:06 PM »

Quote from: DorsetDan on April 24, 2019, 10:27:03 PM

No one was talking about linear weight transfer but just for funsies... force equal, force on to back foot, force on to front foot. You can call it �just transferring weight from one foot to the other� but that is the definition of linear weight transfer in to the ball

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JY4RhGd6bjs

Errr.. No its not.

Cys1 · « **Reply #55 on:** April 24, 2019, 10:37:57 PM »

Wow, your coaching sessions must last for days! Possibly why it took the whole winter to teach some kids to maintain balance with the high tech method of using the taped up tennis ball.
I always thought that the purpose of good coaching is to eventually not have to coach at all and to get people to be able to identify and rectify mistakes during match situations.
Whatever is good for your business I suppose?

SLA · « **Reply #56 on:** April 24, 2019, 10:42:17 PM »

Quote from: DorsetDan on April 24, 2019, 10:37:45 PM

Centre of mass moves from back foot to front foot during the swing and you don�t call that a transfer of weight? Interesting. Have a great night

No, I don't call it a linear transfer, because its not, its rotational. Do you even understand that term? Why the (No Swearing Please) are you arguing with me about this when you clearly don't know what you're talking about?

SLA · « **Reply #57 on:** April 24, 2019, 10:46:08 PM »

Quote from: Cys1 on April 24, 2019, 10:37:57 PM

Wow, your coaching sessions must last for days! Possibly why it took the whole winter to teach some kids to maintain balance with the high tech method of using the taped up tennis ball.
I always thought that the purpose of good coaching is to eventually not have to coach at all and to get people to be able to identify and rectify mistakes during match situations.
Whatever is good for your business I suppose?

What a rather sad selection of random off-target insults.

Rather than dragging form the level of the conversation, why don't you respond to the discussion about basic physics? If you're out of your depth, there no shame in just admitting that and apologising.

edge · « **Reply #58 on:** April 24, 2019, 10:55:34 PM »

SLA you must be a politician of some kind with the way you answer a different question to the one anyone asks. First you turn a conversation on LBW problems into one about weight transfer, then when anyone engages with that you change the question to whether it's linear vs rotational. It's almost like you're not interested in the actual topic and just want an argument! Apropos of nothing, what is your opinion on Jimmy Anderson's bowling in overseas conditions?

Psi · « **Reply #59 on:** April 24, 2019, 11:42:50 PM »

Not really an expert on this, and I definitely don't want to join the slanging match, but I found it quite difficult to 'lead with the head' at first. Only when someone suggested leading with the left shoulder going down and the head naturally following over the ball did I manage to get properly balanced on the drive shots. But I'm still not great at following a fast swinging ball unless I've somehow picked the delivery right from the bowler's hand.

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