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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #90 on: April 25, 2019, 09:28:05 AM »
Best way to not end up overthinking every shot you attempt to play? Don't read this thread. You don't need perfect technique to score runs … look at Steve Smith!

Whether it's leaning or leading, weight shift or rotation (eh!) just try to keep your head still, play the ball under your head if possible (straight deliveries only obviously) and have your momentum moving towards the ball. Practice in the nets until you find what works for you (a trigger movement may help) and unless you have any aspirations to play at county level ignore the rest.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #91 on: April 25, 2019, 09:37:13 AM »
Quote from: SLA on April 25, 2019, 08:48:47 AM
Minor quibble, but surely this depends on the batsman's dominant eye?

I am a big fan of leading eye discussions, my leading eye is my right eye and I line up my eyes with my helmet visor to get a similar outcome to Chris, whose leading eye is, I guess, his left eye.

I have a theory (totally disproved in a highly scientific poll on here) that your leading eye should be your outside eye. But that has been discussed previously !!
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #92 on: April 25, 2019, 09:44:45 AM »
Quote from: Buzz on April 25, 2019, 09:37:13 AM
I am a big fan of leading eye discussions, my leading eye is my right eye and I line up my eyes with my helmet visor to get a similar outcome to Chris, whose leading eye is, I guess, his left eye.

I have a theory (totally disproved in a highly scientific poll on here) that your leading eye should be your outside eye. But that has been discussed previously !!

Most people have a dominant eye just as most people have a dominant hand, this has nothing to do with cricket and isn't something you can change.

I'm not aware of any particular advantage or disadvantage associated with the inside or outside eye being the dominant eye - although you can quite spot that outside eye dominant batsmen tend to have slightly more open stances (top half, at least) and they have to bring their head around more to get a good view of the ball.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #93 on: April 25, 2019, 09:55:48 AM »
Quote from: enlightened on April 25, 2019, 09:28:05 AM
just try to keep your head still, play the ball under your head if possible (straight deliveries only obviously) and have your momentum moving towards the ball.

There are plenty of examples of shots where your "momentum" (ie movement of your COM) doesn't move towards the ball. Pretty much any backfoot cover drive to a spinner is played whist COM is moving towards the leg side, lots of hook shots are played with COM moving towards the offside, cuts and bf drives to pace bowlers are often played with COM moving vertically upwards (often the batsman jumps in the air) and a wide variety of shots, for example sweeps, dabs and some drives, are played with no significant movement of the COM at the moment of contact (and hence no "momentum") at all.

Whenever there is movement of the COM towards the ball through contact, it tends to be a coincidence rather than a factor in bat speed or connection quality.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #94 on: April 25, 2019, 10:20:02 AM »
Quote from: SLA on April 25, 2019, 09:55:48 AM
There are plenty of examples of shots where your "momentum" (ie movement of your COM) doesn't move towards the ball. Pretty much any backfoot cover drive to a spinner is played whist COM is moving towards the leg side, lots of hook shots are played with COM moving towards the offside, cuts and bf drives to pace bowlers are often played with COM moving vertically upwards (often the batsman jumps in the air) and a wide variety of shots, for example sweeps, dabs and some drives, are played with no significant movement of the COM at the moment of contact (and hence no "momentum") at all.

Whenever there is movement of the COM towards the ball through contact, it tends to be a coincidence rather than a factor in bat speed or connection quality.

Yes … I know that. But the OP is planting his foot and getting caught lbw and so I assume the ball is straight and of good to full length in which case you would be unlikely to be playing a cut, a hook or a back foot drive. Thought you might have sussed that yourself.

I didn't mention bat speed or connection quality - getting your momentum moving towards the ball is more about getting yourself in the right position, not necessarily about how hard you hit it.

Anyway - I've given my advice based upon my experience and it makes a lot more sense to me than anything you have posted.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #95 on: April 25, 2019, 10:29:33 AM »
Quote from: enlightened on April 25, 2019, 10:20:02 AM
Yes … I know that. But the OP is planting his foot and getting caught lbw and so I assume the ball is straight and of good to full length in which case you would be unlikely to be playing a cut, a hook or a back foot drive. Thought you might have sussed that yourself.

Anyway - I've given my advice based upon my experience and it makes a lot more sense to me than anything you have posted.

Right, but even with a drive, its not actually necessary or particularly beneficial to shift your COM as you hit the ball. There are plenty of examples of batsmen who have their body weight forward and over on their front foot before the ball arrives and then simply hit the ball from a stable base purely with their upper body.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #96 on: April 25, 2019, 10:37:54 AM »
Quote from: SLA on April 25, 2019, 10:29:33 AM
Right, but even with a drive, its not actually necessary or particularly beneficial to shift your COM as you hit the ball. There are plenty of examples of batsmen who have their body weight forward and over on their front foot before the ball arrives and then simply hit the ball from a stable base purely with their upper body.

That's because they have already got into position. I give up - I'm out of here. Your obstinacy must be almost as legendary as your coaching.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #97 on: April 25, 2019, 10:53:43 AM »
Quote from: enlightened on April 25, 2019, 10:37:54 AM
That's because they have already got into position. I give up - I'm out of here. Your obstinacy must be almost as legendary as your coaching.

I think perhaps you're just using the term "momentum" incorrectly. It might make sense to you, but if it doesn't make sense to anyone else its not much use.
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Re: Planting my front foot
« Reply #98 on: April 25, 2019, 11:45:26 AM »
Going to stop the conversation for now as I think there is plenty for the poster to think about.
And a load of other waffle.
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