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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #375 on: July 31, 2019, 01:23:27 PM »

Why could you possibly hate that?!

It just really annoys me!! i don't know why, i think it may have something to do with us then being incredibly rigid in how were going to play.

If we turn up to say Cardiff one day and we've named the same side as for tomorrow and its already very dry and we need two spinners, they've announced the side, are they then gonna change it?

just one of those things that annoys me that's all, also Australia all ready know who they up against and can plan in more detail now and it'll be fresh, we have no idea which bowling attack they're gonna pick
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« Reply #376 on: July 31, 2019, 01:23:32 PM »

Is that the best pair of test match openers in England today?

Been discussed plenty on the forum that.

Hard to see what else the selectors could do at the present time
Roy I think will be in for a while maybe end up lower down

Could we blood a brand new player this series?
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« Reply #377 on: July 31, 2019, 01:29:42 PM »

It just really annoys me!! i don't know why, i think it may have something to do with us then being incredibly rigid in how were going to play.

If we turn up to say Cardiff one day and we've named the same side as for tomorrow and its already very dry and we need two spinners, they've announced the side, are they then gonna change it?

just one of those things that annoys me that's all, also Australia all ready know who they up against and can plan in more detail now and it'll be fresh, we have no idea which bowling attack they're gonna pick

Don't get me started on this! Why to we panda to the media needing to know the team.

I absolute hate the way we name the side the day before - tell the players, of course yes.......... but why tell the opposition and also let yourself be locked into a team if the conditions change.

The Aussies now know they are not facing Archer at 90mph+ bowling rockets, they will be facing Woakes, a completely different bowler. And therefore if necessary can pick accordingly.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #378 on: July 31, 2019, 01:30:58 PM »

It just really annoys me!! i don't know why, i think it may have something to do with us then being incredibly rigid in how were going to play.

If we turn up to say Cardiff one day and we've named the same side as for tomorrow and its already very dry and we need two spinners, they've announced the side, are they then gonna change it?

just one of those things that annoys me that's all, also Australia all ready know who they up against and can plan in more detail now and it'll be fresh, we have no idea which bowling attack they're gonna pick

The pitch isn't suddenly going to drastically change overnight. The opposition (as most journalists will) will get a pretty good idea of who's playing from who trains and how much the day before.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #379 on: July 31, 2019, 01:36:29 PM »

The pitch isn't suddenly going to drastically change overnight. The opposition (as most journalists will) will get a pretty good idea of who's playing from who trains and how much the day before.

That's true however we saw in the world cup how incredibly bgreen some pitches we're the day before the suddenly they were cut very short, they did change
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #380 on: July 31, 2019, 01:52:54 PM »

Don't get me started on this! Why to we panda to the media needing to know the team.

I absolute hate the way we name the side the day before - tell the players, of course yes.......... but why tell the opposition and also let yourself be locked into a team if the conditions change.

The Aussies now know they are not facing Archer at 90mph+ bowling rockets, they will be facing Woakes, a completely different bowler. And therefore if necessary can pick accordingly.

Glad it's not just me
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #381 on: July 31, 2019, 01:53:08 PM »

Paine is definitely a better keeper, would like to see Carey against the red ball. Paine is far from a test match standard batsman.

For what it's worth Paine Averages 35 (Buttler also 35 and Bairstow 36) and is by far the best keeper in either squad, I'm not sure how much of the criticism is warranted.

I don't mind seeing old-school selection like this, in that I would call him a keeper batsman as opposed to Bairstow and Buttler who are batsman who can keep, and as a leader of men, I would say the last 12 months have proven that he is as good as anyone in world cricket.
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« Reply #382 on: July 31, 2019, 02:12:30 PM »

In years gone by It was said that the Australian way was to pick their best 11 then pick the captain whereas England would pick a captain then selected the other 10.  No doubt Paine doesn't make it into that 11 as a cricketer
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #383 on: July 31, 2019, 02:32:48 PM »

Is that the best pair of test match openers in England today?

Nope, Cooks and Trescothick
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #384 on: July 31, 2019, 02:48:54 PM »

Glad it's not just me
Can't believe you two think the Australians might change selection based on which seamers England pick... Put the boot on the other foot - how would you change the England side based on whether they play Labuschange or Marsh at 6, or Siddle vs Starc? Also can't believe that what the groundsman will do on the morning of the game might be a surprise to England in a home Ashes series!! Not that there's anything to stop them changing the team anyway.

Clive Woodward used to announce teams early as a point of principle, show some confidence, Brendan McCullum did the same. Don't totally buy into that but it's a better point of view than trying to keep your side secret because you're scared the opposition might out-select you...
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #385 on: July 31, 2019, 03:02:39 PM »

Can't believe you two think the Australians might change selection based on which seamers England pick... Put the boot on the other foot - how would you change the England side based on whether they play Labuschange or Marsh at 6, or Siddle vs Starc? Also can't believe that what the groundsman will do on the morning of the game might be a surprise to England in a home Ashes series!! Not that there's anything to stop them changing the team anyway.

Clive Woodward used to announce teams early as a point of principle, show some confidence, Brendan McCullum did the same. Don't totally buy into that but it's a better point of view than trying to keep your side secret because you're scared the opposition might out-select you...

I didn't say the Australians would change there side at all..... in fact i am sure they have had a side sorted before the press conference...... but that's the point.

It is all about the mental 1%, heck less than 1% that will make a difference and if that disturbs the opposition batters not knowing who's coming at them the next morning as they sleep that night, then great. If it makes no difference, then what have you lost..... nothing.

As for the pitch changing, well we have seen plenty of pitches change overnight after being under covers or whatever or more importantly weather conditions changing.

This is a general principle i am talking about though not just specific this match. 
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #386 on: July 31, 2019, 03:21:45 PM »

For what it's worth Paine Averages 35 (Buttler also 35 and Bairstow 36) and is by far the best keeper in either squad, I'm not sure how much of the criticism is warranted.

I don't mind seeing old-school selection like this, in that I would call him a keeper batsman as opposed to Bairstow and Buttler who are batsman who can keep, and as a leader of men, I would say the last 12 months have proven that he is as good as anyone in world cricket.

Sadly the media and ECB here love buttler, Stokes, Bairstow and claim they are all world class test bats... Paine is tripe.. sadly the stats say they are all about the same.. so to slate Paine as ‘not good enough’ is also admitting England’s fabled stars are also a bit dire.. naturally many will come with reasons why the English ones are somehow better
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #387 on: July 31, 2019, 03:36:57 PM »

I didn't say the Australians would change there side at all..... in fact i am sure they have had a side sorted before the press conference...... but that's the point.
The Aussies now know they are not facing Archer at 90mph+ bowling rockets, they will be facing Woakes, a completely different bowler. And therefore if necessary can pick accordingly.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #388 on: July 31, 2019, 03:50:26 PM »

The Aussies now know they are not facing Archer at 90mph+ bowling rockets, they will be facing Woakes, a completely different bowler. And therefore if necessary can pick accordingly.

Do they have specialist batsman in the squad to deal with "fast medium swingers" who they'll pick now they know Woakes is playing, and different batsman who specialise in facing "90mph+ rockets" who they'll bring to negate Archer? ???
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #389 on: July 31, 2019, 05:18:21 PM »

Anyone seen much of Marnus Labuschagne? I saw him bowl a bouncer at Lord's earlier in the season. Quite an interesting thing to do for someone bowling leg-breaks!
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