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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #720 on: August 05, 2019, 06:19:49 PM »

Okay, so here's one to consider.
Was 4 years of building towards the World Cup and ODI dominance really worth this capitulation in the Test Match arena?

England didn't look that dominant in the World Cup to me.
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« Reply #721 on: August 05, 2019, 06:43:51 PM »

England didn't look that dominant in the World Cup to me.

Perhaps it was my wording, but I was referring to the 4 years leading up to the World Cup where England beat everyone they came up against (except Scotland).

But, of course, you knew that, what fun is there in actually answering the question asked though...
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« Reply #722 on: August 05, 2019, 07:00:04 PM »

Perhaps it was my wording, but I was referring to the 4 years leading up to the World Cup where England beat everyone they came up against (except Scotland).

But, of course, you knew that, what fun is there in actually answering the question asked though...

He wouldn’t be the edgy internet dude if he answered questions and joined in the conversation though.

He’s just here to be an ### and moan at the selection parts of the forum.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #723 on: August 05, 2019, 07:04:16 PM »

Perhaps it was my wording, but I was referring to the 4 years leading up to the World Cup where England beat everyone they came up against (except Scotland).

But, of course, you knew that, what fun is there in actually answering the question asked though...

We got home by the skin of our teeth in the WC but yes everything was geared to that tournament perhaps at the expense of everything else. England management have said as much themselves.

Let’s be honest we were dismal today, we should be able to compete with the best players picked for the longer form thou
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #724 on: August 05, 2019, 07:09:26 PM »

Ali out for me Leach in don’t care how many left handlers they have, archer and Curran in the squad and Foakes...

Anderson will not play so that’s Archer in if fit, leach for Ali that’s two changes.

Very unlikely England will drop Bairstow as others have said.

What we actually need is someone to dig in when it’s tough, I know it’s not trendy to bat for a day but that’s how you stop losing games

Malan is the only one I can think of..


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« Reply #725 on: August 05, 2019, 07:22:38 PM »

England were poor today - that much is clear, but the test game turns on its axis. I do not believe the sides are as unequal as they were made to look today.

I also think England have learned a lot from this test:

Rory Burns: Now an auto select for the rest of the series at least - there were still question marks over him at the start and doubtless some remain. Although he wasn't faultless in his first innings knock, he showed real character and enough quality to deserve an even longer run. We know now he has what it takes.

Stuart Broad: Still capable of some excellent, unplayable spells and should play the rest of the series.

James Anderson: Not fit...obviously.

Roy/ Bairstow/ Buttler: IMO all quality players but all need to learn to reign it in. Now. Before it's too late. Personally I loathe the expression 'He has to play his own game'. Does he bugg*ry! Cricket is a team game, I don't care how capable you are of hitting 36 in an over, if the team requires you to bore the opposition to death that's what you do!

Moeen: IMO still the better spinner but only when he's in good nic. I would be considering Leach or even Bess as a replacement.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #726 on: August 05, 2019, 08:31:26 PM »

Wicket was doing a lot today and AUS bowlers fully capitalized on their opportunities. Good for AUS!
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #727 on: August 05, 2019, 08:47:53 PM »

The problem with the England Test side, are in my opinion, the inevitable result of the domestic game being torn apart for the singular purpose of maximizing profit.

The endless shouting of new names (often who posters clearly know very little about), without  ever considering the bigger picture, seems more than a bit dumb to me.
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« Reply #728 on: August 05, 2019, 08:59:29 PM »

My mate who is not an England fan texted me to say England were dismal(yes I know and cheers!) but the problem we have is we have two keepers in the team for one role and that will have to change to move forward .....

Hmmm... That's a tough one

There's load of keeper batsmen around and some who could come in to the team as well.

I would have Foakes in myself at the expense of Bairstow

But would England ever make that choice ? And which one gets dropped? Or both and we play the best keeper...which has got to be Foakes by a street.

Trying to think of other teams who have more than one keeper , where the other player is good enough to get in as a pure batsman.

Wade is a keeper, I think , good player below average in figures as a batsman so far.Looked a serious bat on Sunday thou
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #729 on: August 05, 2019, 09:30:48 PM »

So we are wrong and not playing very well. What can we do?

In my opinion no point shouting random county cricketers names. We’ve all said Jennings, stoneman, westley, vince a thousand times and it’s qucikly transpired that county runs mean squat on the international circuit. So throwing Sibley Crawley and whoever else we can find in the mix is pointless.


Roy and Burns stay for now, burns as he got runs, and Roy as despite the fact I’m not sure he’s the man for the job, 2 tests isn’t really a fair crack. But he really needs a flat ish track to get us off to a flier. Or a very tired opponent second innings etc.
Digging us out on the 5th day ain’t his game.



Keeper batsmen. Buttler bairstow foakes conundrum.
Buttler and bairstow haven’t yet turned up this summer, and foakes hasn’t had a great lions fc run recently. But is there anyone else?
I don’t think all 3 can play unless one of the 2 b’s goes up to number 3(and let root drop to 4 again).
But I doubt they’d do that.
Buttler has the better run with the bat than bairstow last year, and foakes is the better keeper, so maybe play buttler and foakes for now, but have johnny chomping at the bit if they don’t perform.


Got to pick fit bowlers. So Anderson is out.
Still don’t rate broad but he’s made himself unstoppable for rest of ashes.
He needs archer with him for pace.
Mo has no confidence, give the lad a rest. Bring leach in, especially as he batted well against Ireland.
Woakes if fit, as he had the niggle yesterday, if not it’s curran.

Which just leaves denly.
Denly, Malan, Vince...... all seem to be a quick 20-30 and get out at test level.
Other than the movement of buttler or bairstow to 3, what else do we have? Not a lot it seems.

Root, stokes obvious picks. No questions there.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #730 on: August 05, 2019, 09:48:28 PM »

Here's one for you: Jason Roy has never ever batted for more than three and half hours.

So the chances of him doing it today were pretty remote, to say the least.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #731 on: August 05, 2019, 11:06:51 PM »

In the aftermath here, the one thing no-one has said for an England side who were poor in places is that it's tough losing your best bowler, hell, your best player, half an hour in to a five day test. Not saying that decided the game by any means, but...

Really, the issues now are the ones we identified six months ago. Two gaps in the top three (though go Burns. Seriously, making a hundred that ugly takes massive class), a preponderance of all rounders and a fondness for right arm medium quick. And behind that, the issue that the majority of the guys doing it in the Championship this year have been tried and found wanting (Malan, Lyth, Ballance).

What do you do now? Tough. For me the single biggest one is Leach for Ali. No brainer for me that you need your best spinner, and that spinner needs to be able to block an end, which Ali can't.

In the batting, you could legitimately drop Buttler or Bairstow. Four knocks, no double digit scores and four average shots. Roy played a worse shot but has to be given some chance. Denly, sadly, might be the scapegoat because his selection reeks of good egg syndrome.

Tricky.
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #732 on: August 05, 2019, 11:34:52 PM »

I am enjoying how salty the Smith boo-ers would be feeling at this point

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27328961/the-three-block-boos-steve-smith-bubble-proves-real-fortress
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #733 on: August 06, 2019, 01:13:31 AM »

World feels right when we beat the poms
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #734 on: August 06, 2019, 07:47:48 AM »

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