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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #1395 on: September 08, 2019, 10:46:34 PM »

Yes Smith is the reason the Urn is coming home with the Australians, but Ben Stokes is the reason England have looked like a team who can compete with Australia. Massive respect to England for fighting that hard yesterday, also to Stuart Broad who has been a one man army with the ball for England.

The Australian bowling has been amazing, Cummins is the #1 in the world for a reason, Hazelwood not far behind and Lyon has had a tough series, but he is the Goat for a reason and will bounce back. The main difference for mine is that the Aussie bowlers operate as a team, Broad just doesn't have that around him.

Shows how big a loss Anderson was. On home soil he's right up there with the best (if not the best swing bowler around) and was a huge loss for us. Add Archer to him, Broad and Stokes and in the UK that's a high quality attack who could work together well.

We always knew the ball would dominate, but you've had the best player in the world on fire with the bat and chanced upon your next best player, who may not have even played without Smith's injury. The rest of your batting stats are woeful (as are ours too btw). While we've made selection errors and been missing a guy with almost 600 test wickets.

You've deserved the Ashes but there's not a massive amount between the two sides when you break it down.

Anderson missing was a real shame for everyone, as not sure we'll see him again in an Ashes series, certainly not at home anyway. He deserved one last go at the Aussies on home soil
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« Reply #1396 on: September 08, 2019, 11:25:00 PM »

Anyone know of the link where the complete after the game interviews might be located?  The bits and pieces interview are missing the questions.

Edit: Found them
Tim Paine's Interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjWNKqDJ3wY
Joe Root Interview - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vlGUcUTWhA
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« Reply #1397 on: September 09, 2019, 02:22:58 AM »

Shows how big a loss Anderson was. On home soil he's right up there with the best (if not the best swing bowler around) and was a huge loss for us. Add Archer to him, Broad and Stokes and in the UK that's a high quality attack who could work together well.

We always knew the ball would dominate, but you've had the best player in the world on fire with the bat and chanced upon your next best player, who may not have even played without Smith's injury. The rest of your batting stats are woeful (as are ours too btw). While we've made selection errors and been missing a guy with almost 600 test wickets.

You've deserved the Ashes but there's not a massive amount between the two sides when you break it down.

Anderson missing was a real shame for everyone, as not sure we'll see him again in an Ashes series, certainly not at home anyway. He deserved one last go at the Aussies on home soil

Yeah Anderson is class, and absolutely deserved one last series and I agree the series would have a different look, but I guess that's where the real difference between the two sides becomes more apparent, Australian cricket maybe has the depth that England don't, especially in the bowling stocks.

 Unfortunately for England I don't see it getting much better with Anderson now essentially done, Broad only has a few years left, and the gap between Anderson and Broad to the next tier of quality would be a concern for England I'd imagine.
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« Reply #1398 on: September 09, 2019, 03:59:32 AM »

Burns and Denly will get better with time. They showed good fight, it'd be a shame to see them dropped from the England side.

Australian side as a whole had more experience and actually a better captain. I saw the AUS celebration when the last ENG wicket fell and it made me laugh - these guys have been thru so much and they have come back in a big way! Good for them, I say.
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« Reply #1399 on: September 09, 2019, 04:29:21 AM »

Adil Rashid needs to get a run again.
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« Reply #1400 on: September 09, 2019, 05:45:11 AM »

Burns and Denly will get better with time. They showed good fight, it'd be a shame to see them dropped from the England side.

Australian side as a whole had more experience and actually a better captain. I saw the AUS celebration when the last ENG wicket fell and it made me laugh - these guys have been thru so much and they have come back in a big way! Good for them, I say.
Burns isn’t getting dropped, Denly is 33 so time isn’t on his side. If he was 23 I’d be happy to see him given the winter.
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« Reply #1401 on: September 09, 2019, 08:33:03 AM »

I think Root shouldn’t be captain. Just my opinion but his performance with the bat has been down since he took the job and his captaincy is terrible. As much as I hate 5o say it I think Stokes should be captain
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« Reply #1402 on: September 09, 2019, 08:43:37 AM »

How can anyone say Denly deserves to be dropped?

hes hit two back to the wall 50s and starting to look at home. and arguably in the series how baeen in our top 4 best players with stokes root (hes hit 2 50s but been mixed) and burns

Roy should be dropped but at least tried to put away the big shots and dig in yesterday

Bairstow is coming back into form but needs champo cricket to find it, buttler is woefully out of nick

when theres better players pick them!

for me the third test should be(including decision beacuse selectors wont make too many changes)

burns
sibley
root
denly
pope
stokes
bairstow (id rather have foakes but it wont happen)
Woakes
Archer
Leach
Broad
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #1403 on: September 09, 2019, 09:57:20 AM »

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« Reply #1404 on: September 09, 2019, 10:34:17 AM »

Both for his batting and with the long-term captaincy issue in mind, I think Northeast is worth a go at #3, with Root going back to #4 and Roy being dropped.
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« Reply #1405 on: September 09, 2019, 11:05:40 AM »

slightly surprisingly, England just announced a unchanged team    :)

I guess.....any changes to the team will have to wait until the winter tours, where it may be easier to have a new opener, or a new middle order batsman?
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« Reply #1406 on: September 09, 2019, 11:28:42 AM »

No surprise that England announced an unchanged squad for the final test at the Oval. For the players it must be comforting to know that the selectors will give them plenty of opportunities to prove themselves but it can be really frustrating for fans of English cricket. Anyone watching will know that Jason Roy isn't up to standard at test level. You can't play YJB and Buttler in the same side and there is an argument that neither of them should be playing.  It is just frustrating sometimes that you can see something isn't working but the sheer bloody mindedness of the selectors is 'no we are sticking to these players'. It's not as if these players have terrific records to fall back on.

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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #1407 on: September 09, 2019, 11:42:19 AM »

No surprise that England announced an unchanged squad for the final test at the Oval. For the players it must be comforting to know that the selectors will give them plenty of opportunities to prove themselves but it can be really frustrating for fans of English cricket. Anyone watching will know that Jason Roy isn't up to standard at test level. You can't play YJB and Buttler in the same side and there is an argument that neither of them should be playing.  It is just frustrating sometimes that you can see something isn't working but the sheer bloody mindedness of the selectors is 'no we are sticking to these players'. It's not as if these players have terrific records to fall back on.

So how many games do you give a player before you drop him? Sometimes selectors just can’t win. People complain if they keep changing the team and next if they don’t change the team people complain.

Not sure how much you guys follow State of Origin over here but Queensland who were successful for such I long period were known for selecting consistently even if the player was out of form for his club. This gave the player the confidence knowing the selectors trusted their ability
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #1408 on: September 09, 2019, 11:45:26 AM »

slightly surprisingly, England just announced a unchanged team    :)

I guess.....any changes to the team will have to wait until the winter tours, where it may be easier to have a new opener, or a new middle order batsman?
Definitely an opportunity missed by the selectors to give Sibley a debut on his ex home ground. Weather looks decent this week and The Oval is a decent place to bat most of the time.

Sibley will probably end up facing Boult on a green top in a few weeks time instead...not much fun
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Re: Englands Test Summer - IRE + AUS
« Reply #1409 on: September 09, 2019, 12:10:09 PM »

So how many games do you give a player before you drop him? Sometimes selectors just can’t win. People complain if they keep changing the team and next if they don’t change the team people complain.

Not sure how much you guys follow State of Origin over here but Queensland who were successful for such I long period were known for selecting consistently even if the player was out of form for his club. This gave the player the confidence knowing the selectors trusted their ability
I think you can get a pretty good impression of someone after 10 or so tests. The selectors haven't been given a dealt a great hand by the ECB. How do you select players when they don't play much First Class cricket in July/August and the test matches are in July/August? The whole structure needs a massive overhaul. It's not the selectors fault that Australia are a better test match side than England.
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