Topic: Bats peaking... (Read 5900 times)

OllieWalker39 · « **Reply #15 on:** August 17, 2019, 08:21:15 PM »

Whilst I'm not so sure, to me the Bola balls seem to hit the bat heavier than a cricket ball: this may just be that they are more spongey - i.e. they deform upon impact whereas a cricket ball doesn't... but I recently had to put my Woodstock into the bag due to that one going (knew that was coming - it started going like an absolute train, just about gunning off through for a single from the softest of pushes), so picked out my old Newbury: wasn't a bad stick but was never worthy of the SPS grade (they sent it free when I managed to break the one I selected. Nowhere near as good)...

Had a long net on Thursday, not really facing anything too fast (75-80): broken bat. Split on the same line in two places.

So, I would say that machine balls definitely do seem to do some damage to the willow: as opposed to being hit by the timber, I think they slap the bat, thus causing the bat to absorb more of the impact as opposed to redirecting. That would be my theory... and it seems like a reasonable excuse to buy a new bat...

Yorkershire · « **Reply #16 on:** August 17, 2019, 08:27:43 PM »

Back on track re bats peaking... bola on a different topic

Komdotkom · « **Reply #17 on:** August 18, 2019, 10:10:06 AM »

I suppose my question is can you move your bat up the bell curve of performance more quickly by using a Bola without damaging the bat. I feel like the answer is that a reasonable amount of Bola use isn't harmful but beyond 1000 balls is probably inadvisable.

edge · « **Reply #18 on:** August 19, 2019, 09:10:18 AM »

Quote from: OllieWalker39 on August 17, 2019, 08:21:15 PM

Whilst I'm not so sure, to me the Bola balls seem to hit the bat heavier than a cricket ball: this may just be that they are more spongey - i.e. they deform upon impact whereas a cricket ball doesn't... but I recently had to put my Woodstock into the bag due to that one going (knew that was coming - it started going like an absolute train, just about gunning off through for a single from the softest of pushes), so picked out my old Newbury: wasn't a bad stick but was never worthy of the SPS grade (they sent it free when I managed to break the one I selected. Nowhere near as good)...

Had a long net on Thursday, not really facing anything too fast (75-80): broken bat. Split on the same line in two places.

So, I would say that machine balls definitely do seem to do some damage to the willow: as opposed to being hit by the timber, I think they slap the bat, thus causing the bat to absorb more of the impact as opposed to redirecting. That would be my theory... and it seems like a reasonable excuse to buy a new bat...

Could they hit the bat harder because I'm guessing you don't face anyone actually bowling at 75-80 too often? Especially if on a quicker indoor surface.

The idea that BOLA balls cause significantly more damage than cricket balls is a daft one imo. Facing way more balls than you would against human bowlers, at faster speeds, and more consistently hitting the same spot on the bat is obviously going to lead to quicker delamination though.

prim0pyr0 · « **Reply #19 on:** August 19, 2019, 09:35:48 AM »

Ive use the gray nicolls ball machine balls. They're fine with bats, possibly better than normal cricket balls as there isn't a seam. If you're smashing 80mph balls off the toe then you'll likely cause some damage I'm sure.

SD · « **Reply #20 on:** August 19, 2019, 09:58:30 AM »

The only issue with Bola balls in my view is that as a Club player you can face a far higher volume of them than you can ever find net bowlers to bowl at you so your bats will naturally suffer more wear and tear.

Personally I think Bola balls are better for your bats than cricket balls. The Bola ball is softer so flattens in impact therefore spreading the force over a larger area whereas a cricket ball is harder so the force Impacts on the bat in a smaller area

Kulli · « **Reply #21 on:** August 19, 2019, 10:58:55 AM »

Based on experience rather than fact, but do worry that the different composition of bola balls caused delamination. Don�t know enough about impact physics or causes of delamination to really speculate why.

prim0pyr0 · « **Reply #22 on:** August 19, 2019, 11:11:58 AM »

Quote from: Kulli on August 19, 2019, 10:58:55 AM

Based on experience rather than fact, but do worry that the different composition of bola balls caused delamination. Don�t know enough about impact physics or causes of delamination to really speculate why.

I've used bowling machine 4 or 5 days a week for 1.5hours for two years around 75mph, didn't delaminate. I did have a AS Sports bat delaminate while knocking in recently... Which is crazy. Other bat's were GN and NB so could be brand related

Cover_Drive · « **Reply #23 on:** August 19, 2019, 03:17:24 PM »

Given the amount of cricket most of us play, it does definitely take a season for us to open a bat.

If we all count number of balls we hit on the bat every week (a guess), that helps. For example, if I go to team nets, batting is for 15 minutes and in those 15 minutes, you get to face 36-42 balls (6-7 overs) out of which half are the ones which are either bouncers, wides, or something which you leave. The remaining half which is 18-21 which is which you hit the middle or off centre. So, in 18-21 balls, you can't really open a bat.

You need to hit at least 500 balls in the middle to have bat opened up.

Yorkershire · « **Reply #24 on:** August 19, 2019, 03:28:52 PM »

Good responses...

Looks like I will be sticking with my bats for next season and looking for a bat for the year after this end of season sales...

I really wish I had been disciplined and kept some of my bats rather than swapping and changing!

joymarvin · « **Reply #25 on:** August 19, 2019, 04:13:37 PM »

Quote from: Cover_Drive on August 19, 2019, 03:17:24 PM

Given the amount of cricket most of us play, it does definitely take a season for us to open a bat.

If we all count number of balls we hit on the bat every week (a guess), that helps. For example, if I go to team nets, batting is for 15 minutes and in those 15 minutes, you get to face 36-42 balls (6-7 overs) out of which half are the ones which are either bouncers, wides, or something which you leave. The remaining half which is 18-21 which is which you hit the middle or off centre. So, in 18-21 balls, you can't really open a bat.

You need to hit at least 500 balls in the middle to have bat opened up.

Well said. I face the same situation here too.

Cover_Drive · « **Reply #26 on:** August 19, 2019, 06:16:39 PM »

Quote from: Yorkershire on August 19, 2019, 03:28:52 PM

Good responses...

Looks like I will be sticking with my bats for next season and looking for a bat for the year after this end of season sales...

I really wish I had been disciplined and kept some of my bats rather than swapping and changing!

Honestly, the best bats buys are the ones which are in For Sale section here, they are best buys because they are 25% or so off the price and have been played in as well.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #27 on:** August 19, 2019, 07:52:55 PM »

Quote from: Yorkershire on August 19, 2019, 03:28:52 PM

Good responses...

Looks like I will be sticking with my bats for next season and looking for a bat for the year after this end of season sales...

I really wish I had been disciplined and kept some of my bats rather than swapping and changing!

Exactly what I�ll be doing mate, I have 6 bats at the moment all of which I would be happy to use in a match but I�ll stick with the two Iv used all year. During the winter I reckon I will move on two maybe 3 and replace with 1 or 2 new models once I see what�s out and released, they will get net sessions with the view to being a match bat in the 2021 season. That�s how Iv rotated my bats the last 3 years and so far never had an issue

Komdotkom · « **Reply #28 on:** August 19, 2019, 09:38:08 PM »

Good news, I think that really puts it into perspective.
On a good week in summer I'd probably bat for 20 minutes total at training and then about 3 minutes in a game so it should be some time around 2050 that all of my bats will be played in. Or I'll just use them against the machines for a few hours each (200 balls per hour) and that will get them to a point where my mis timed swipes may actually make it off the square.

Ajdal · « **Reply #29 on:** August 20, 2019, 12:06:47 AM »

Oh wow didn�t think you need to start preparing a bat 2 years in advance before using it in a game. I personally use a mallet for about 30 odd mins, maybe net with it once to get the confidence going and it�s ready for games.

I�ve found bats to almost always feel/ping better in a game than in practice.

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