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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #210 on: November 25, 2019, 09:07:38 AM »
Quote from: csnew on November 25, 2019, 07:43:34 AM
Great win by NZ, turned out to be a great wicket.

2nd best test team for a reason

This. We have to be realistic where we are as a country with our cricket. We have a very unstable batting line up and a very green bowling attack.
As compared to this Kiwi team which is at its absolute peak.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #211 on: November 25, 2019, 09:22:48 AM »
Any idea why this test series is not part of the world test championship?
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #212 on: November 25, 2019, 09:34:04 AM »
As we're generally on the topic of England flat-track woes... anyone see much of Toby Roland-Jones this season? Played a full year but seems to have dropped out of England reckoning for some reason, odd given how good his brief test stint was and his reputation for getting wickets on flat ones.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #213 on: November 25, 2019, 10:02:21 AM »
Quote from: csnew on November 25, 2019, 09:22:48 AM
Any idea why this test series is not part of the world test championship?

Domestic sponsors had been all agreed and signed up prior to the championship. This didn't fit with the championship arangements and therefore not included.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #214 on: November 25, 2019, 10:08:26 AM »
Quote from: edge on November 25, 2019, 09:34:04 AM
As we're generally on the topic of England flat-track woes... anyone see much of Toby Roland-Jones this season? Played a full year but seems to have dropped out of England reckoning for some reason, odd given how good his brief test stint was and his reputation for getting wickets on flat ones.

Stress fracture ended his England stint, came back this season, seemed to go ok but not 100% sure
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #215 on: November 25, 2019, 10:27:17 AM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on November 25, 2019, 10:08:26 AM
Stress fracture ended his England stint, came back this season, seemed to go ok but not 100% sure
Well yes - he came back in 2018 but did it again, then returned this season. Question is how is he bowling - if back at full capacity you'd assume he'd be in contention, if he's slowed down significantly then probably not.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #216 on: November 25, 2019, 10:40:50 AM »
Quote from: edge on November 25, 2019, 10:27:17 AM
Well yes - he came back in 2018 but did it again, then returned this season. Question is how is he bowling - if back at full capacity you'd assume he'd be in contention, if he's slowed down significantly then probably not.

33 wickets at 29.18 best of 7-52

I'm trying to find his avergae pace  :D

Probably next season will be a better guide
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #217 on: November 25, 2019, 10:43:03 AM »
Having just watched the highlights of the 2nd innings this morning oh boy does Olly Pope have a lot to answer for what a shocker to go along with his first innings dismissal, a screamer of a catch but i would get a volley from the skipper if i played that shot on a Sunday let alone in professional cricket 2nd innings batting to save the game.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #218 on: November 25, 2019, 12:10:30 PM »
Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on November 25, 2019, 10:43:03 AM
Having just watched the highlights of the 2nd innings this morning oh boy does Olly Pope have a lot to answer for what a shocker to go along with his first innings dismissal, a screamer of a catch but i would get a volley from the skipper if i played that shot on a Sunday let alone in professional cricket 2nd innings batting to save the game.

The skipper better start with screaming at himself first.  The only person that I think got out to a good ball was Denny, everyone else played lousy shots.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #219 on: November 25, 2019, 01:07:25 PM »
Quote from: shadowlight on November 25, 2019, 12:10:30 PM
The skipper better start with screaming at himself first.  The only person that I think got out to a good ball was Denny, everyone else played lousy shots.

Exactly right. Denly showed guts again and gave nothing away.

I’m afraid if you are not tactically a very good skipper next on the list is leading from the front.

We have been exposed in this match..
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #220 on: November 25, 2019, 02:46:37 PM »
Quote from: FattusCattus on November 25, 2019, 09:03:23 AM
Any changes for the second test?  1 run and no wickets for Broad isn't too hot (although he didn't go for many)?

Do we need Curran and Stokes (is stokes fit to bowl)?

2 spinners?

Mahmood in for the next test?

I’d hope we’d be unchanged. Broad went wicketless but bowled at least as well as anyone else.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #221 on: November 25, 2019, 05:06:12 PM »
I have been reading Guardian comments section and for folks calling for dropping Buttler.  I understand that he had brain fart in the 2nd innings but he did pretty well batting wise in the first adding runs with the tail.  Are the expectation from the fans realistic?  How many of the byes/wides were due to his keeping?
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #222 on: November 25, 2019, 05:27:06 PM »
Quote from: Kulli on November 25, 2019, 02:46:37 PM
I’d hope we’d be unchanged. Broad went wicketless but bowled at least as well as anyone else.
I agree, but Broad needs to attack the stumps more when he bowls. Too much wasted energy trying to bowl dry.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #223 on: November 25, 2019, 06:58:37 PM »
Quote from: shadowlight on November 25, 2019, 05:06:12 PM
I have been reading Guardian comments section and for folks calling for dropping Buttler.  I understand that he had brain fart in the 2nd innings but he did pretty well batting wise in the first adding runs with the tail.  Are the expectation from the fans realistic?  How many of the byes/wides were due to his keeping?

People post anything from behind a computer these days!!  :)

The correct choice for us purists is Foakes, next best probably Butler over the last 2 years but essentially we are not playing a specialist keeper.

The question is why are we not? And that whacks is in the head constantly...until we get some batsmen earning their living then Foakes misses out. Maybe a slim chance for the Sri Lanka tour.

The irony not lost is in a England shirt Foskes has a perfectly respectable batting average.someone on here will know the exact average I don’t..but it’s healthy.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #224 on: November 25, 2019, 07:16:33 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on November 25, 2019, 06:58:37 PM
People post anything from behind a computer these days!!  :)

The correct choice for us purists is Foakes, next best probably Butler over the last 2 years but essentially we are not playing a specialist keeper.

The question is why are we not? And that whacks is in the head constantly...until we get some batsmen earning their living then Foakes misses out. Maybe a slim chance for the Sri Lanka tour.

The irony not lost is in a England shirt Foskes has a perfectly respectable batting average.someone on here will know the exact average I don’t..but it’s healthy.

I think the correct choice for anyone is Foakes - catches win matches, and he will take a far higher percentage than Bairstow (who is better than Buttler) or Buttler ever will.  He may not play eye catching innings - he may possibly have a weakness against express pace - but at this stage, his exclusion is inexplicable.  YJB, Buttler et al have to earn their spots with the bat alone.
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