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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #225 on: November 25, 2019, 08:02:58 PM »
Am I the only one thinking - where did Jofras pace go?

Watched the first 4 days live and saw him over 150kph only once, which was the delivery after being denied an LBW. The rest of the time Jofra was loitering around the late 130's kph with a few into the 140's, which when compared with Stokes who was firing them down at high 130's and the odd 140's in his spells, seems a little weird. To be honest though; the bowling was just as average, as the batting. If not more so. 

Also, Butler had a huge number of unfair byes chalked up against him. But overall, England just didn't seem that mentally switched on, or even that hungry for it. 

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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #226 on: November 25, 2019, 09:42:22 PM »
The real debate should actually be ‘does the Dukes ball oversell the ability of the English bowlers’?

We’ve seen in favourable conditions Anderson and Broad have merry with the Dukes ball, that includes in the Caribbean and UAE - Pakistan uses a dukes ball manufacturer in their own country.

But as soon as we get to Australia, South Africa, New Zealand and Sri Lanka the seam bowlers are average with the kookaburra ball. Likewise in India with the SG ball - SG and kookaburra are same company?

Maybe instead of pretending we are the ‘kings of swing’, we should start using the kookaburra ball as well to actually develop the required skills needed in overseas tours.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #227 on: November 25, 2019, 10:30:27 PM »
Quote from: SurreySam on November 25, 2019, 08:02:58 PM
Am I the only one thinking - where did Jofras pace go?

Watched the first 4 days live and saw him over 150kph only once, which was the delivery after being denied an LBW. The rest of the time Jofra was loitering around the late 130's kph with a few into the 140's, which when compared with Stokes who was firing them down at high 130's and the odd 140's in his spells, seems a little weird. To be honest though; the bowling was just as average, as the batting. If not more so. 

Also, Butler had a huge number of unfair byes chalked up against him. But overall, England just didn't seem that mentally switched on, or even that hungry for it.
43 overs in the heat over two days will do that to anyone.
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« Reply #228 on: November 25, 2019, 11:39:45 PM »
For me Foakes is the keeper to have and even Buttler said as much in Sri Lanka, where he said Foakes standard is where the keepers need to be. 
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #229 on: November 26, 2019, 08:00:07 AM »
Quote from: shadowlight on November 25, 2019, 11:39:45 PM
For me Foakes is the keeper to have and even Buttler said as much in Sri Lanka, where he said Foakes standard is where the keepers need to be.

Totally agree. England need to move away from this obsession of having an average keeper who can biff the ball a bit when required, but struggles when defence is the order of the day. I thought Foakes looked really good in his previous England matches, and was very unlucky to lose his spot. Same with Malan, who didn’t really do anything wrong either. England have developed a habit of picking “names” based on reputation, rather than form, and what’s right for the test side. Ed Smith may think he’s a clever clogs, but his method of selection leaves a lot to be desired.
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« Reply #230 on: November 28, 2019, 06:08:56 AM »
Hilariously, Buttler is likely injured and instead of getting Foakes, Pope will keep with limited experience even at the first class level.
What are they smoking at the ECB?!
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« Reply #231 on: November 28, 2019, 06:51:02 AM »
To be fair (and I do think flakes should be in the side)

Flakes didn't have the best summer with the gloves yes but with the bat I don't recAll him making a score (Surrey fans feel free to correct me here)
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #232 on: November 28, 2019, 06:54:00 AM »
Quote from: billyb on November 28, 2019, 06:08:56 AM
Hilariously, Buttler is likely injured and instead of getting Foakes, Pope will keep with limited experience even at the first class level.
What are they smoking at the ECB?!

He did well with the gloves on my International Cricket Captain 2019 game on the iPad. Perhaps I’ve stumbled across the secret as to how Ed Smith comes up with his more ridiculous decisions, as he certainly doesn’t seem to watch any cricket other than when he watches test matches, sitting next to James Taylor and wearing his and his trendy sunglasses.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #233 on: November 28, 2019, 08:36:55 AM »
Don't really see the problem, not ideal for Pope of course but a specialist backup keeper is a bit of a wasted spot for a 2 test series if you've already got two extra guys who've kept at first class level in the squad. Big chance for Zak Crawley!

Speculation Leach could get dropped to play 5 seamers... because that always goes well.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #234 on: November 28, 2019, 09:22:24 AM »
We took a risk with only one specialist keeper in the squad, but for a 2-test series it was probably the right decision.

Foakes was very unlucky to be dropped by England but after a summer averaging 26 with the bat there was no way he should have been on this tour
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #235 on: November 28, 2019, 09:28:48 AM »
Never seen him keep but I remember Alex Stewart talking about him when he first game on the scene and made a point of talking about him as a very accomplished glove man which is high praise from one of England’s best keepers ever. So i guess we shall see.
Be good to see in some way that another batter that can keep ensures Bairstow stays away from the test team for a while but Pope gets out in this test in the same manner as his dismissals in the 1st test than there is hope for all of us Village keepers to get a test gig lol
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« Reply #236 on: November 28, 2019, 09:43:11 AM »
Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on November 28, 2019, 09:28:48 AM
Never seen him keep but I remember Alex Stewart talking about him when he first game on the scene and made a point of talking about him as a very accomplished glove man which is high praise from one of England’s best keepers ever. So i guess we shall see.
Be good to see in some way that another batter that can keep ensures Bairstow stays away from the test team for a while but Pope gets out in this test in the same manner as his dismissals in the 1st test than there is hope for all of us Village keepers to get a test gig lol

Has Alec Stewart ever not talked up a Surrey player?
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #237 on: November 28, 2019, 09:49:47 AM »
Quote from: SouthpawMark on November 28, 2019, 09:43:11 AM
Has Alec Stewart ever not talked up a Surrey player?

To be fair he did hammer Ollie the other day for his dismissals; his small bias is no different to any other former England player and their county.

The fact Foakes isn't keeping still irks me, we've all seen how good he is
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #238 on: November 28, 2019, 09:53:19 AM »
Quote from: rickjames on November 28, 2019, 09:49:47 AM
To be fair he did hammer Ollie the other day for his dismissals; his small bias is no different to any other former England player and their county.

The fact Foakes isn't keeping still irks me, we've all seen how good he is

I think the player most harshly treated is Daffyd Malan. He should still be in this team.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #239 on: November 28, 2019, 10:10:00 AM »
Quote from: SD on November 28, 2019, 09:22:24 AM
We took a risk with only one specialist keeper in the squad, but for a 2-test series it was probably the right decision.

Foakes was very unlucky to be dropped by England but after a summer averaging 26 with the bat there was no way he should have been on this tour

you have a point, keepers modern day have to score runs and contribute with the bat, in fact in an England shirt Foakes have not let us down.

someone on here the other day asked why Archer's pace was down, Buzz replied 42 overs in the heat means unless he is superhuman his pace will be down. Only  Leach bowled more overs than Archer in the last match.

what about the effect of a non specialist keeper being in the field 200 overs? we have struggled overseas for a few years, can we really expect a non specialist to do the job in those conditions?

massive fan of Foakes as are many others on here, just posing the question for another viewpoint, if bowlers ae affected, so are keepers.....
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