Topic: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20 (Read 66439 times)

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #240 on:** November 28, 2019, 10:19:26 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on November 28, 2019, 10:10:00 AM

you have a point, keepers modern day have to score runs and contribute with the bat, in fact in an England shirt Foakes have not let us down.

someone on here the other day asked why Archer's pace was down, Buzz replied 42 overs in the heat means unless he is superhuman his pace will be down. Only Leach bowled more overs than Archer in the last match.

what about the effect of a non specialist keeper being in the field 200 overs? we have struggled overseas for a few years, can we really expect a non specialist to do the job in those conditions?

massive fan of Foakes as are many others on here, just posing the question for another viewpoint, if bowlers ae affected, so are keepers.....

absolutely keepers are effected i think most have said how difficult it is in the sub continent with the humidity.

that being said didnt foakes go an entire test in sri lanka without conceding a bye last time over there?

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #241 on:** November 28, 2019, 11:25:44 AM »

anyone else noticed that Ramprakash has been incredibly critical of pretty much everything root does, and Silverwood on this tour, since he got the sack?

i dont think ive heard him say anything positive about the England set up, is it sour grapes or more truthful that we'd like to think?

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #242 on:** November 28, 2019, 11:34:01 AM »

I have a feeling that the Silverwood era isn�t going to be too dissimilar to the two Moores eras.

Wazza08 · « **Reply #243 on:** November 28, 2019, 11:56:39 AM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on November 28, 2019, 10:19:26 AM

absolutely keepers are effected i think most have said how difficult it is in the sub continent with the humidity.

that being said didnt foakes go an entire test in sri lanka without conceding a bye last time over there?

Do keepers just get it harshly then? Looking at it there, it seems like most/all the players made a mistake that cost at least a run during the games through a misfield etc. Whilst no byes may be aspirational in a game of that length is it realistic? Also there is always the odd one that does actually come off a pad etc that gets given as byes? They field a HUGE number of balls extra than all the other players too so proportionally it is a very small error rate? Just feel a bit sorry for the keeper when that happens as more in the spotlight than others, and this is from a non keeper.

Buzz · « **Reply #244 on:** November 28, 2019, 03:30:26 PM »

The chat around the impact on only having a part time keeper is baring fruit as Buttler is likely to be out of the match with Ollie Pope keeping...!

Woakes being considered instead of Leach too depending on the pitch.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #245 on:** November 28, 2019, 03:35:44 PM »

Quote from: Wazza08 on November 28, 2019, 11:56:39 AM

Do keepers just get it harshly then? Looking at it there, it seems like most/all the players made a mistake that cost at least a run during the games through a misfield etc. Whilst no byes may be aspirational in a game of that length is it realistic? Also there is always the odd one that does actually come off a pad etc that gets given as byes? They field a HUGE number of balls extra than all the other players too so proportionally it is a very small error rate? Just feel a bit sorry for the keeper when that happens as more in the spotlight than others, and this is from a non keeper.

there are lots of variable yes, but like i say im pretty sure foakes went through a test (either first or second) without conceding one

six and out · « **Reply #246 on:** November 28, 2019, 04:28:29 PM »

I think it's interesting that when you look at the top test sides they all have/pick a proper keeper rather than a batter in them.

India - Saha rather than Pant
Australia - Paine rather than Wade keeping and playing an extra option etc...
NZ - Watling rather than Seifert

SD · « **Reply #247 on:** November 28, 2019, 04:48:04 PM »

Quote from: SouthpawMark on November 28, 2019, 11:34:01 AM

I have a feeling that the Silverwood era isn�t going to be too dissimilar to the two Moores eras.

I have similar fears for the current set up. For his faults, Strauss has both a clarity of purpose and of how to get there and Bayliss was a high class operator who delivered on his brief to turn england into a too white ball side. I just don't see that with Giles and Silverwood I am sad to say

SD · « **Reply #248 on:** November 28, 2019, 04:56:13 PM »

Quote from: six and out on November 28, 2019, 04:28:29 PM

I think it's interesting that when you look at the top test sides they all have/pick a proper keeper rather than a batter in them.

India - Saha rather than Pant
Australia - Paine rather than Wade keeping and playing an extra option etc...
NZ - Watling rather than Seifert

I am not sure this is the way the international sides do view the selection of the keeper. Go back a generation or more and keepers with batting averages in the 20s were common. Now there is an expectation of being able to contribute more with the bat.

Of the three you name, Watling has a better first class record than Seifert and I don't see Paine making the Australian 11 of he weren't captain

rickjames · « **Reply #249 on:** November 28, 2019, 09:26:35 PM »

Pope keeping wicket, Crawley debut, Buttler out, Leach out, Woakes in

Why do I fear not having a frontline spinner

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #250 on:** November 28, 2019, 09:28:36 PM »

Quote from: rickjames on November 28, 2019, 09:26:35 PM

Pope keeping wicket, Crawley debut, Buttler out, Leach out, Woakes in

Why do I fear not having a frontline spinner

Speechless. England have lost the plot.

rickjames · « **Reply #251 on:** November 28, 2019, 09:34:32 PM »

Jesus Christ, what a mess

csnew · « **Reply #252 on:** November 28, 2019, 09:35:12 PM »

Surprised NZ have prepared a green top being 1-0 up.

Should�ve played on a flat track and done what they did last game. Green top plays into England�s bowlers hands

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #253 on:** November 28, 2019, 09:38:12 PM »

Mark Butcher is thrilled with the XI too.

SD · « **Reply #254 on:** November 28, 2019, 09:51:36 PM »

I can only assume that Stokes isn't fully fit to bowl so they felt they needed a 4th seamer because it doesn't look like the shkr4 of pitch where a spinner would be redundant

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