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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #375 on: December 03, 2019, 03:58:17 PM »

So if we rated the team from their performances this series, what would it look like?

Burns: I don't think you could ask for more from the opener. Often ungainly and streaky, but he is scoring runs at the top (hallelujah)! 184 runs in 2 tests, AVG 61.3. 9/10

Sibley: A disappointing start to his England career, but showed he has potential, especially in his first innings of the series. There is time now to work on a couple of things before South Africa. 4/10.

Denly: A little underwhelming at times but still our best option at 3. Occupies the crease for long periods when he gets in. Horrible drop. 6/10

Root: Rescued himself from a desperately poor series as captain with a mighty 226 in the 2nd test. Continues to mismanage Archer in particular. People need to separate Root the Captain from Root the batsman... Fantastic to have him back in form. 7/10

Stokes: Another good series, averaging 48.3 and bowling pretty well at times despite looking sore. 7.5/10

Crawley: Faced 6 balls. Can't rate him on that- will he get another dig in SA? N/A

Pope: Showed what he can do with the bat at last, and should have had a 100 but was unselfish for the team. Looks class. Hope he learns a lot from this series! Why on earth did he keep though? 7/10

Curran: Still don't know what to make of him. England's top wicket taker, but still seems unconvincing and I don't know why. Is he too slow? Not consistent enough? Either way, a solid series really. 7.5/10

Woakes: One test, 4 wickets. Probably England's best seamer behind Broad but clearly isn't flavour of the month. 7.5/10

Archer: Bowled a whopping 82 overs, more than any other England bowler. His magic just wasn't there this series, was it? Looked flat and exhausted at times, bowling well below pace. A learning experience for the young man. Not sure you should be using your thoroughbred to do a shire horse's work. 5/10

Broad: Very economical, didn't take enough wickets but is an important presence on the field. He really can't bat any more though, can he? Anderson might actually be better... 6.5/10

Buttler: 1 test, 43 runs... Better behind the sticks than Pope at least. Still not sure he is the team's long term future. 6.5/10

Leach: 2 wickets and gastroenteritis. We'll need him badly in SA. Not quite Graeme Swann but probably the best we have, and seems well liked in the team. 6/10

Selectors/Management: 3/10. Managed to write 11 names down on a piece of paper, which is to be applauded. Maybe next series we will let them advance to using crayons. Not quite ready for felt tips.

Ultimately- not enough runs, not enough wickets. Poor pitches perhaps but New Zealand a much better side right now. They found a way of taking wickets & provided an education in test cricket. Good luck to them.

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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #376 on: December 03, 2019, 05:06:53 PM »

Probably a little on the generous side i think.  A very odd decision to travel half way around the world for a 2 test series so so after the end of a draining English season.  I don't think that there is much positive to build on. 

Not great cricket either unfortunately.  A Kookaburra ball on a flat wickets offering nothing to the bowler but making batting attentional doesn't make great watching
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #377 on: December 03, 2019, 05:23:58 PM »

I rather use lack of experience as an excuse for the performance, instead of the pitch and ball.  NZ played on the same pitch and used the same balls and they did a better job.
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« Reply #378 on: December 03, 2019, 05:36:04 PM »

I rather use lack of experience as an excuse for the performance, instead of the pitch and ball.  NZ played on the same pitch and used the same balls and they did a better job.

My view was about the quality of the cricket, not the outcome. 
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #379 on: December 03, 2019, 05:42:42 PM »

Definitely generous. Pope played two horrendous shots in the first test!
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #380 on: December 03, 2019, 06:04:22 PM »

Definitely generous. Pope played two horrendous shots in the first test!

I didn't think his innings in the second test was great either.  He played 7 false shots in his first 51 balls.  He made the most of some very good fortune and showed the ability he has, but also that there is a very long way to go for him
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« Reply #381 on: December 03, 2019, 06:13:34 PM »

I gave Pope a good score because he was the only new player to do anything of note really, and I'm desperate to see someone do well  :D :( Sibley/Crawley/Pope.
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« Reply #382 on: December 03, 2019, 06:43:15 PM »

I’d say your ratings are pretty accurate. Asking Archer to bowl 82 overs is a joke, and will lead to him declaring that he’s only interested in playing ODIs and the 20 over stuff.

The one rating I disagree with is the selectors/management rating, which is 3 too high. Ed Smith had a shocker, and hopefully this debacle of a series makes people realise that he’s not up to the job.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #383 on: December 03, 2019, 07:48:34 PM »

I’d say your ratings are pretty accurate. Asking Archer to bowl 82 overs is a joke, and will lead to him declaring that he’s only interested in playing ODIs and the 20 over stuff.

The one rating I disagree with is the selectors/management rating, which is 3 too high. Ed Smith had a shocker, and hopefully this debacle of a series makes people realise that he’s not up to the job.

Ed Smith seems to be getting a slating from all angles on here at the moment.  Can you please explain what he got so horrendously wrong for this series?
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« Reply #384 on: December 03, 2019, 07:52:18 PM »

The only thing he got wrong was not sending a back up keeper

We were praising him before the series for picking youth now it didn't go to plan that was crap
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« Reply #385 on: December 03, 2019, 07:55:31 PM »

The only thing he got wrong was not sending a back up keeper

We were praising him before the series for picking youth now it didn't go to plan that was crap

Has anyone said picking the youngsters was crap?

Not taking a back up keeper was a risk that backfired spectacularly, and Smith is rightly getting slated for that. I've not seen any criticism about selection of the younger players though...
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #386 on: December 03, 2019, 08:00:31 PM »

All in all pretty accurate reading of the series, nothing should be taken from NZ, well led, a good team who are 3 in the rankings for a reason. I don’t like flat wickets and balls with no seam movement either but let’s not moan and complain- NZ won and deserved to in the same conditions they found a way to get us out.

Trying to think of what is the fans learnt from the two matches.

I don’t think much...burns played well, Pope is a talent, woakes and broad and Curran ok.Root the batsmen got a big score-good.

Selection is a mystery, clearly moeen and bairstow are wanted back, SA the keeper will be stood back that means again no specialist.

England are a frustrating side, we pick youngsters but then it goes wrong.

Agree with others we need good management and selection, but do we have it? I have my doubts.

For my money a proper keeper needs to play...I think if we did play Foakes the side could start to fit into place.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #387 on: December 03, 2019, 08:11:29 PM »

Ed Smith seems to be getting a slating from all angles on here at the moment.  Can you please explain what he got so horrendously wrong for this series?

I didn't see much wrong with the selection.  The lack of a back up keeper was a calculated gamble that Foakes or Baistow would be better off at home resting than carrying the drinks with Crawley as the back up batsman who would benefit from the experience of being around the squad. 
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #388 on: December 03, 2019, 08:31:27 PM »

I didn't see anything wrong with the squad at all, I mean did anyone jump and shout that we weren't taking an experienced back up keeper when the squad was announced? It was just a bit of a gamble that spectacularly backfired.

I have much more of an issue that we didn't play a spinner in a test match we needed to win on a flat motorway of a pitch.
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Re: England tour of New Zealand 2019/20
« Reply #389 on: December 03, 2019, 10:00:34 PM »

I think that's a fairly good round up of all the ratings.

On a personal note, felt the serious was pretty dull and despite loving the game found myself switching over a fair bit due to lack of action. Flat pitched and kook ball obviously played a part, and seeing Archer at 75% wasnt great

Lack of a back up keeper is absolutely school boy, and highlighted even more by Buttler injury and Pope's keeping.

Cant knock the rest of the selections, although im starting to think Curran doesnt have much left, doesnt have the pace either if theres  o swing, saying that all the bowlers speeds were down and disappointing.
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