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Is there anyone left now who bats with light bats (2 lb 7 or 8oz)
« on: September 19, 2019, 04:32:50 PM »
Given how players choose their bats today based on big edge & spine sizes, I wonder if there is anyone left who bats with old style lightweight bats like me or am I a dying breed today? I personally prefer 2 lb 7 or 8 oz (Max) puma ballistic (or JM) shaped bats. I always thought that the lighter bats give me better bat speed (remember BC Lara?). There was an article somewhere put up by an AU university describing that heavier bats will hit the ball only 10% longer than lightest bats if the timing is correct (F= M.A) and there isn’t a massive difference in M of a lighter vs heavy bat (2lb 7 vs 2 lb 12). Whereas if your acceleration reduces by any amount due to heavier weight, it can have a big impact on the ultimate distance.
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Re: Is there anyone left now who bats with light bats (2 lb 7 or 8oz)
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2019, 05:06:14 PM »
Me Me Me....my Anthem weigh 2.9 on scale but feels lighter but downside to that bat is that it's narrower. So sometime I buy Harrow size just to try. Now I found GM Noir Harrow that feels perfect in hands with 2 grips and weigh only 2.6 max. What I'd didn't like about is thin toes but due to scuff sheet I can see I can see cherries mostly in middle. I am happy with it as it's not as narrow my my GM or maybe even full width I haven't measured.
Search for full size bat with similar weight is still on but due to cost not sure when that be fulfilled.
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Re: Is there anyone left now who bats with light bats (2 lb 7 or 8oz)
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2019, 05:10:50 PM »
Quote from: sachin200 on September 19, 2019, 04:32:50 PM
Given how players choose their bats today based on big edge & spine sizes, I wonder if there is anyone left who bats with old style lightweight bats like me or am I a dying breed today? I personally prefer 2 lb 7 or 8 oz (Max) puma ballistic (or JM) shaped bats. I always thought that the lighter bats give me better bat speed (remember BC Lara?). There was an article somewhere put up by an AU university describing that heavier bats will hit the ball only 10% longer than lightest bats if the timing is correct (F= M.A) and there isn’t a massive difference in M of a lighter vs heavy bat (2lb 7 vs 2 lb 12). Whereas if your acceleration reduces by any amount due to heavier weight, it can have a big impact on the ultimate distance.

My match bats are 2lb 7. Suits my game (more back foot shots) as well as my INability to judge the ball early. In general, my hitting distance has increased a lot (better timing on pulls, and faster speed). The only thing I had to be careful of was NOT push at length balls when defending - but that’s something you should never do anyway.

My logic is simple - I should be much lighter than Stokes, Smith etc (they are much fitter and stronger than me)
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Re: Is there anyone left now who bats with light bats (2 lb 7 or 8oz)
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2019, 06:43:27 AM »
Quote from: sachin200 on September 19, 2019, 04:32:50 PM
There was an article somewhere put up by an AU university describing that heavier bats will hit the ball only 10% longer than lightest bats if the timing is correct (F= M.A) and there isn’t a massive difference in M of a lighter vs heavy bat (2lb 7 vs 2 lb 12). Whereas if your acceleration reduces by any amount due to heavier weight, it can have a big impact on the ultimate distance.
The opposite of this - within a usable weight range your bat speed drops less with an increase in weight than the corresponding increase in impulse to the ball. To illustrate, think about knocking a wall down - you want to apply a lot of force with a hammer; do you swing a light hammer really fast, or do you go get the sledgehammer out? Cricket isn't about hitting the ball as far as possible anyway, so it's all moot really - more important things determine your ideal bat weight.
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Re: Is there anyone left now who bats with light bats (2 lb 7 or 8oz)
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2019, 09:20:19 AM »
Quote from: edge on September 20, 2019, 06:43:27 AM
The opposite of this - within a usable weight range your bat speed drops less with an increase in weight than the corresponding increase in impulse to the ball. To illustrate, think about knocking a wall down - you want to apply a lot of force with a hammer; do you swing a light hammer really fast, or do you go get the sledgehammer out? Cricket isn't about hitting the ball as far as possible anyway, so it's all moot really - more important things determine your ideal bat weight.

You've never seen me attack a wall.... :D :D
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Re: Is there anyone left now who bats with light bats (2 lb 7 or 8oz)
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2019, 09:55:53 AM »
I'm 6'2 and use bats that are 2'9. I've never really understood the attraction of heavy bats - they just feel unnecessarily cumbersome. Accuracy of contact is more important than bat momentum.
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Re: Is there anyone left now who bats with light bats (2 lb 7 or 8oz)
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2019, 10:22:22 AM »
Quote from: edge on September 20, 2019, 06:43:27 AM
Cricket isn't about hitting the ball as far as possible anyway, so it's all moot really.

... But I thought the cricket world cup was just determined by exactly that?  ;)
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Re: Is there anyone left now who bats with light bats (2 lb 7 or 8oz)
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2019, 04:04:38 PM »
The other weird trend that I am seeing now a days is that people playing on cement pitches opting for lower middle bats. Yes, Sachin did it all his career - heavy bat and lower middle but he was a touch player and not a smash the ball kind of guy. It is also noteworthy that Sehwag never used anything heavy. His bat used to be the lightest in the Indian dressing room.
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Re: Is there anyone left now who bats with light bats (2 lb 7 or 8oz)
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2019, 06:09:37 PM »
^ What Sachin did worked for him and his style of play. He also held the bat very low leaving top 3-4 inches of the handle untouched. He played against some very quick bowlers. Since pro grounds have quick outfields, you don't need to swing the bat hard. A well timed push from a heavy bat will do the job and send the ball racing to the rope. We all know that he was a kid, he used his big brother's bats which ultimately led to certainly physiological strengths. So, he preferred big, heavy bats. Check out the bat he used in 2011 CWC, it was huge!

Regardless of what Sachin or others did, bat weight preference is subjective. If you want to find out what works best for you, try different styles and weights of bats and see which one produces runs for you. Without standardizing bat specs (dead weight, swing weight, point-of-balance, willow density, etc. etc.), there will be never be an exact process for determining or replicating the right bat for a batsman except trial-and-error.
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Re: Is there anyone left now who bats with light bats (2 lb 7 or 8oz)
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2019, 06:54:59 PM »
My rule of thumb for myself is simple.. no fancy physics, just a quick way to dumb it down

1. find out what weights pros use
2. see how your fitness level compares to theirs.
3. make the appropriate adjustment.

I concluded that most pros are SUBSTANTIALLY stronger, faster and fitter than me and so my bat should be substantially lighter than theirs. So if most pros use 2lb 8 to 2lb 10... my weight range should be 2lb 6 to 2lb 8, maybe even lighter. This is my best guess of what adjustments I needed to make. Going lighter certainly helped my “shape”, as I felt less tension in my muscles when batting.
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Re: Is there anyone left now who bats with light bats (2 lb 7 or 8oz)
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2019, 07:07:37 PM »
^ There is no set rule for pros and their weight preference. If I recall correctly, Voges uses 2-7. I have seen Sarfaraz's bat and it was barely 2-6 (more like 2-5). Pros use super light bats too and using their bat weight as a reference may not  works for a clubbie.

A clubbie's body is the best judge of what weight works for him/her regardless of what pros use. Heavy? Light? Whatever. Let your body and runs scored tell you what to use.
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