Topic: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20 (Read 138346 times)

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #180 on:** December 27, 2019, 01:43:43 PM »

Absolutely pathetic batting display.

csnew · « **Reply #181 on:** December 27, 2019, 01:44:10 PM »

What a performance from SA and philander. Showing the English bowlers what length to bowl.

Massive lead on this wicket

rickjames · « **Reply #182 on:** December 27, 2019, 01:50:45 PM »

Can't wait for the illness excuse from Root

Buzz · « **Reply #183 on:** December 27, 2019, 01:55:25 PM »

Root and Thorpe both need to be sacked.

Root is a lousy skipper and Thorpe has failed in his role s batting coach.

rickjames · « **Reply #184 on:** December 27, 2019, 01:57:45 PM »

We don't deserve Jimmy

Jimbo · « **Reply #185 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:00:11 PM »

Still confused as to why England seem incapable of putting together a proper warm up schedule before important Test series. When was the last time they started a series looking match fit?

JTtaylor145 · « **Reply #186 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:01:35 PM »

There aren't many crumbs of comfort watching England, but at least we are consistent away from home.

We are definitely one of the worst travelling sides which is saying something when pretty much every side that travels is not competitive.

I think the next Ashes series is 2021-2022. That gives England 2 years to do 'something'. If England don't do anything there is little doubt that it could be at least 4-0 and more probably 5-0 to Australia.

What could they do?

1. Burns is as good as we have opening the batting,so he has to stay for the foreseeable future.
2. Open to ideas but none are really jumping out at me. I don't think Sibley or Crawley are the answer.
3. Denly? As good as it gets right now but in two years?
4. Root.
5. Stokes. But it is unlikely he will be able to bowl much in the future. Maybe a few overs a day at best.
6. Pope. He is one of the best in county cricket in terms of averages.
7. Not Butler. Sorry he was/is never a first class batsman/keeper. Great limited overs player. Thanks Jos enjoy the white ball contract and IPL etc. Got to be Foakes really.
8. Bowling allrounder. Sam Curran, at least he moves the ball.
9. Archer. But we have to figure out how to get the best out of him...hint it isn't bowling him in 25 overs every day.
10. Are Broad and Anderson going to be around in 2 years?
11. Spinner?

Time to draw a line in the sand as selectors and look at two years time and the Ashes away. Pick the 15/16 players right now that England feel could 'compete' in two years time and manage them accordingly. Be watchful we how they are used in one day and 20/20 matches. Don't let them play in the Hundred if they are burnt out. Why not send the bowlers overseas to play in Australia for a few weeks etc.

The key message is whatever we are doing now is NOT working. We are dreadful away from home and will get smashed overseas against virtually every single opponent. Something has to change. It's the players, the system or a combination of the two.

Or alternatively the ECB doesn't give a hoot about test cricket really...until we are about 6th in the ICC World Test Championship

Mister Le Chiffre · « **Reply #187 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:04:55 PM »

We don�t need a �bowling all rounder�. Pick the three best seamers - just like India and Australia do. The likes of Bumrah, Hazlewood, Ishant and Shami are more number 12s than 11s.

If we bowl teams out for 150-200 the obsession with bits and pieces �all rounders� becomes irrelevant

csnew · « **Reply #188 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:05:23 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on December 27, 2019, 02:00:11 PM

Still confused as to why England seem incapable of putting together a proper warm up schedule before important Test series. When was the last time they started a series looking match fit?

Yawn - tired of that excuse. None of the other sides use this as an excuse - it�s modern day cricket

Excuse in NZ was it�s not part of the test championship so they weren�t bothered

Jimbo · « **Reply #189 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:11:24 PM »

Less of an excuse, more of a reason. A professional approach to preparation is lacking, I don't think that excuses anyone, but it does highlight one thing England management are doing wrong.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #190 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:34:27 PM »

Quite simply we have a world class ODI set up and a bang average year set up.

Hell we can all see that Foakes should be in the side at the expense of both Butler and Bairstow. But at the first opportunity we discard Crawley after one test and 1 innings and put YJB back in.
We can�t get Archer to replicate what he can do in 10 overs in a ODI into a test match, our best batter is hampered with also being captain which is impacting his batting massively.
We haven�t had a decent spinner since Swann retired and for some reason don�t look like getting a replacement soon.

The test match side needs to be reviewed like our ODI side was a few years back

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #191 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:35:05 PM »

That's the jofra we need to see!

Quick and jagging back!

rickjames · « **Reply #192 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:36:28 PM »

I still don't see us chasing anything more than 180

csnew · « **Reply #193 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:36:44 PM »

Chance to get SA out for under 100 now

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #194 on:** December 27, 2019, 02:48:50 PM »

Quote from: jamesisapayne on December 27, 2019, 01:11:18 PM

I genuinely do think anyone would struggle to find a single England player you do rate.

Must be lonely looking down from the ivory tower all the time...

Nailed on players
Root at 4/5 (retire him from all white ball)
Stokes at 5/6 and not bowling as he�s broken so at 28 can focus on being a red ball batter ( retire him from 2020)
Anderson (not match fit and old so we have to hope he recovers form - obviously purely tests)
Broad - keep for tests

The rest need a mixture of managing properly, saving from being ground into the ground (archer for example) or simply telling to go away until they learn how to play red ball cricket.. or in Bairstow case...remove his central contract

We have too many players who are either simply not good enough or over rated. Just look how we over rate our batsmen who avg 30�s... sure they are capable of purple patches or the odd innings but that�s about it . Archer looked awesome for the odd spell but has done nothing since.. wood the same .. one innings and is living off it

Curran tbf to him is taking pegs much to my horror but he�s no world beater and is nothing more than a lower order biffer.. we are building him up to be something he isn�t. Mitch marsh anyone ..... he�s also got a few good knocks in his time etc

Archer - give him a role .. short spells and retire him from 2020 . Look to rest him as much as possible to ensure his pace remains high

I know I moan a lot about England but it�s because I at least expect them to play the situation and have the right technique/mentality. This cluster of players since our good side just don�t have it consistently. Odd innings here and there but nothing consistent. Then they come out with �brand of cricket� or some such crap and pick players like Bairstow over Foakes.. Denly isn�t good enough and is old but at least he dug in and tried. Bairstow and others just go out all gun ho and wonder why they fail more often than not. That�s why I get annoyed at them and I hate when people bang on about �back the lads�.. no, You don�t just back players unless they deserve it. Players like Roy don�t deserve backing because they are simply never upto it. We are wasting time, money and resources on producing these players for anything but white ball.

County cricket needs money pumping into red ball specialists otherwise England nd world cricket in the test arena will keep the terminal decline in standards. No wonder attendances are down as the quality is jut not there and there is less and less competitive games

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