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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #390 on: January 01, 2020, 09:57:20 PM »
I think people often lose sight of the fact that finger-spin and wrist-spin are different disciplines. The wrist-spinner will usually be the 'riskier' selection. I applaud England for taking Parkinson on tour, but understand why Bess might get the nod in current circumstances.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #391 on: January 01, 2020, 10:28:18 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on January 01, 2020, 09:57:20 PM
I think people often lose sight of the fact that finger-spin and wrist-spin are different disciplines. The wrist-spinner will usually be the 'riskier' selection. I applaud England for taking Parkinson on tour, but understand why Bess might get the nod in current circumstances.

I think whilst its a bowling position that is likely to change we, or England, want someone who can hold a bat.

That was Mo when in form and to be fair got us out of the brown stuff a few times, could be Woakes if we needed a seamer. Bess is a capable batsmen and maybe why he has gone ahead of Leach(who is handy defending with the bat)

Im afraid the lack of first innings runs over the last 3 years means we need the middle and lower order to get a score(again)

Could be wrong thats how i think they are looking at it.
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« Reply #392 on: January 01, 2020, 10:46:25 PM »
Quote from: alexhilly1492 on January 01, 2020, 01:36:41 PM
Or giving the young lad a chance to develop those whilst he's never let England down and has what all good bowlers need... The nack of taking wickets

Umm, shouldn’t this be developed well before playing for England ?!?! Otherwise what’s the point of county cricket
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #393 on: January 01, 2020, 11:09:40 PM »
He cant be playing county cricket during the winter though can he, so on tour with the squad and the environment is the next logical and in my opinion best move. Only gonna improve with day in day out practice against our countries supposed finest
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« Reply #394 on: January 01, 2020, 11:56:36 PM »
i think England made a mistake taking Ali’s central contract.  They could have given him a low contract but dropping him completely with player like Baristow still maintaining one just smells of favoritisms.  Just my opinion.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #395 on: January 02, 2020, 12:30:01 AM »
Quote from: shadowlight on January 01, 2020, 11:56:36 PM
i think England made a mistake taking Ali’s central contract.  They could have given him a low contract but dropping him completely with player like Baristow still maintaining one just smells of favoritisms.  Just my opinion.
Moeen has a white ball contract, it's not like they've cut him off totally. Also why would the ECB give him an all format contract if he's not interested at present in test cricket?
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #396 on: January 02, 2020, 02:51:28 AM »
Leach has been unwell. Surely Bess is only 'ahead' of him for this reason?
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #397 on: January 02, 2020, 06:27:19 AM »
Quote from: Mister Le Chiffre on January 02, 2020, 12:30:01 AM
Moeen has a white ball contract, it's not like they've cut him off totally. Also why would the ECB give him an all format contract if he's not interested at present in test cricket?

Not having a central test contract is why he is taking a break from tests. Hes trying to make up the lost income playing T20s.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #398 on: January 02, 2020, 06:47:55 AM »
Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on January 01, 2020, 10:46:25 PM
Umm, shouldn’t this be developed well before playing for England ?!?! Otherwise what’s the point of county cricket

Yes but it isn't being, we all know that!! Also to stay at the top you need to continually develop if you get to a level and never improve people find you out and suddenly your not as good, need to continually develop in top level sport
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #399 on: January 02, 2020, 09:49:35 AM »
Quote from: mr_reagan on January 02, 2020, 06:27:19 AM
Not having a central test contract is why he is taking a break from tests. Hes trying to make up the lost income playing T20s.
White ball contract is worth £275,000 that's more than most doctors. Moeen is also getting £200,000 from his IPL deal. Earning almost £500,000 is hardly chump change
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #400 on: January 02, 2020, 10:09:22 AM »
I wonder how much of these figures the players actually receive, I'm sure the league will take a percentage, as will any managers.
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« Reply #401 on: January 02, 2020, 10:16:12 AM »
And Jofra maybe out for the 2nd test.  No bad thing really as I think he needs a rest, and then a rocket up the backside. Nortje was far more express.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #402 on: January 02, 2020, 12:53:46 PM »
Quote from: mr_reagan on January 02, 2020, 06:27:19 AM
Not having a central test contract is why he is taking a break from tests. Hes trying to make up the lost income playing T20s.

He's not though, he's not playing in the BBL or BPL and would've been available for the full IPL anyway. The only difference he's made by not playing tests is being available for the full PSL (if he opts out of the SL tour) rather than half of it.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #403 on: January 02, 2020, 02:14:50 PM »
Burns now a doubt for the game due to a football injury. Sibley also not 100%....
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #404 on: January 02, 2020, 02:23:47 PM »
Bairstow doing what it takes to get a game.
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