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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #600 on: January 04, 2020, 02:59:22 PM »

Has philander changed bat sponsor for this test?? Using DSC pretty sure he had those lovely retro SS stickers last time out!?
On the farewell tour, probably getting a nice payday
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #601 on: January 04, 2020, 03:10:58 PM »

Lovely from both Sammy and Stokesy
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #602 on: January 04, 2020, 03:11:36 PM »

This is actually quite good from England

Amazing what a holding spinner can add
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #603 on: January 04, 2020, 03:17:20 PM »

There's always value in playing a spinner, however limited they are, against South Africa. This current batch of South Africans are woeful against spin
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #604 on: January 04, 2020, 03:28:01 PM »

Stokesy dropping a bit of a sitter

Everything is going his way
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #605 on: January 04, 2020, 03:28:41 PM »

AND NOW AN ABSOLUTE RIPPER
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #606 on: January 04, 2020, 03:29:34 PM »

That’s some catch! He’s so close and with it flying off the bat
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #607 on: January 04, 2020, 04:01:42 PM »

Bess definitely looks a better bowler than he did against Pakistan, year and a bit break hasn't done him any harm.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #608 on: January 04, 2020, 04:14:59 PM »

Yes not much changes, your spinner has to keep it tight if it's not turning and at 2 an over its good work.

I think also if you look back to Moeens role....they want someone who can bat down the order, which Mo did for a while.
Without Woakes, we cannot have a long tail, top order is not getting enough and hasn't for a while.

Bess potentially can score runs too, so a chance has come up for him from nowhere
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #609 on: January 04, 2020, 06:28:35 PM »

Yes not much changes, your spinner has to keep it tight if it's not turning and at 2 an over its good work.

I think also if you look back to Moeens role....they want someone who can bat down the order, which Mo did for a while.
Without Woakes, we cannot have a long tail, top order is not getting enough and hasn't for a while.

Bess potentially can score runs too, so a chance has come up for him from nowhere

Shouldn’t we be telling the top 7 to stand up and not trying to find players who offer bits and pieces ? If a top 6 batter isn’t pulling their weight or as a unit it’s not scoring 300+ regularly then it’s the batters who need dropping.. Ning finding bits and pieces all rounders
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #610 on: January 04, 2020, 06:46:26 PM »

Shouldn’t we be telling the top 7 to stand up and not trying to find players who offer bits and pieces ? If a top 6 batter isn’t pulling their weight or as a unit it’s not scoring 300+ regularly then it’s the batters who need dropping.. Ning finding bits and pieces all rounders

You're right but only in theory, certainly the last 3 years I've watched us it's the middle order and lower order that has got us out of trouble, Moeen played a big part in this from number 7 or 8....

The reality of our batting now is we don't score enough, so we have to get runs from anywhere we can. You say 'bits and pieces' players but they have done a job for us.

We now have a specialist batsman at number 6, 7 is the keeper position and 8....not sure I would call Bess bits and pieces, he can definatley bat I've seen him score runs. He is similar to Moeen in that position.
Personally I think Leach is our best spinner, I like specialist players too-Foakes surely cannot be far away from being picked again.

Again...correct our top 6 are not like we had 5 years ago, to your point of 'drop them' can you honestly say there are better batsmen sat at home and not on this tour??

I can't.....I think we have the best available out there. Is there 1 player who could make a difference with certainty in the top 6 ?

A few potentials like Joe Clarke but reality is we ain't got great batters anymore. Pope maybe could become a consistent run scorer, he has the talent and temperament.

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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #611 on: January 05, 2020, 12:30:21 AM »

Shouldn’t we be telling the top 7 to stand up and not trying to find players who offer bits and pieces ? If a top 6 batter isn’t pulling their weight or as a unit it’s not scoring 300+ regularly then it’s the batters who need dropping.. Ning finding bits and pieces all rounders

As a point of principle maybe, but you have to be pragmatic and base decisions on what you have not what you would like to have.  When we had a top 7 of Stauss, Cook, Trott, Bell, KP, Colly and Prior all averaging over 40 then lower order runs are a bonus.  Since Strauss retired we have tried many openers, none who have come close to being able to average 40.  Our top order is based on Rory Burns who averages 33 and Joe Denly at 31.  It's not great, but I don't see much that is better to drop them for that hasn't already been tried and failed
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #612 on: January 05, 2020, 07:20:08 AM »

Just a thought here on Bess.
He bowled magnificently yesterday.
The work he has done with Herath has paid off.

Definitely the right call for him to play. I hope he gets a run in the team now.
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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #613 on: January 05, 2020, 07:55:23 AM »

He did bowl well indeed, kept it tight which the spinner has to do if theres not much turn early in the game.

We knock them over early today and a lead of 30-40 might pay off later

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Re: England Tour of South Africa, Test ODI and T20
« Reply #614 on: January 05, 2020, 08:53:11 AM »

Life left in Anderson yet  :)

Stokes helps a bit thou, handy fielder!
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