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[petehosk]

Dave - I can't comment too much just yet, as I haven't had the good fortune to knock the joker in fully and have a swing down the nets, but that time will be upon us soon.
There is no laminate or funny looking willow that I can see - and indeed I took it to Andy at SAF, who commented that it was excellent quality willow - and that is from someone who probably knows as much as anyone on here about willow and batmaking, and 50 times more than most!!

But I did notice that there was something similar to pixie dust when I unwrapped it! 

[SillyShilly]

Guys - at the end of the day this is just a bat, he has made clear that the width it fractionally smaller and would he really sell an illegal bat so openly and do you not think either Rich or Pete would have picked up on this.
Tom from mongoose reckons they did this exact bat and got nowhere near the weight, i propose that the batmaker behind this style of bat is a little more accomplished and has been able to get that spec weight and edge size through no other way than getting the most out of each cleft. Take it for what is is, a big bat with a fractionally smaller face. Nothing overly complicated in my opinion.
Agree with you Pete, good bloke to talk to and you seem happy with your bat from him.

Tom - you ask about technology but has Black Cat mentioned technology anywhere, if this was some technological revolution in batmaking im sure he would have mentioned this.

[Tom]

TBH the size may just be down to the willow, look at some of the bats on here from Hell4 and SS. All 40mm+ edges, there's no reason why you couldn't make a slightly bigger bat if you cut down the edges and took 2" off the height.

[Ayrtek Cricket]

This is like 20 questions......without seeing one in the flesh its gonna be hard to pick out anything distinguishing that sets it apart from the rest....Charlie if it is unique why not patent it?

[procricket]

i have i think i will stick to my normal bat for now

[Howzat]

Tom - you ask about technology but has Black Cat mentioned technology anywhere, if this was some technological revolution in batmaking im sure he would have mentioned this.

If he had he wouldn't mention it as he holds no patents

[Black Cat Cricket]

Do you use the same technology in your regular bats?

No.  Our regular bats are traditional, and are for people who want a high quality, normal bat, handmade in England (that's not to say the Jokers aren't high quality, handmade in Eng etc., but you get my point).  The Joker range will be where the experimental stuff goes.

Cheers

[procricket]

so if i buy one i could get it copied and call it a

HE MAN

BATTLECAT


HEHE

SORRY

[Black Cat Cricket]

TBH the size may just be down to the willow, look at some of the bats on here from Hell4 and SS. All 40mm+ edges, there's no reason why you couldn't make a slightly bigger bat if you cut down the edges and took 2" off the height.

I think they were both low density bits of wood- pro clefts, if you like.  I'd love to try a Joker shape with a pro cleft...

[will5210]

Maybe there's nothing to patent...no new technology or ideas

[procricket]

to true i have a ss 35mm edges and it weight 2lb 6oz


will a very good point

[Talisman]

As far as I can see the Mongoose MMi3 follows the Uzi 20/20 concept and simply has more of the shoulder shaved off, nothing else. Mongoose have applied for a patent based on the splice being hidden and that is it. The fact that the elongated handle/truncated balde concept had been done and sold as a 20/20 bat escaped them which makes the application just another bit of their slick marketing. The Joker follows the same principle except they have also taken the Pakistani trick of shaving the edges to increase the size a touch further. I have no idea if the willow is low density or not, if it is then they either have a source previously unknown with massive quantities or are wasting it on this shape. If they do not then there must be something else but with no stupid patent application it must be prior art or something any bat maker can do. If Mongoose have tried and failed to do this then I guess something else must be present as SS are great bat makers but I guess they would be working hard to copy it now.

[Tom]

Ok Mike, now you have your digs in about Mongoose. Assuming you have seen the Black Cat Joker and Lekka T20 what is the difference between them?

[Liam-SCCC]

If mike is correct (not saying he is), would that mean the lower section of the handle is willow? If you removed the binding from a mongoose what would you see? I think the bat with a V shape pieced of wood sticking up and a handle with the same shaped V cut out of it?

[Tom]

The splice is in the handle, so the join between cane and willow is there. I have never shied away from that fact.