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[patty93]

MY GOD! I don't know how many times i've had to say this across this foum but if he's happy with his purchase, (in this case he is) then bloody hell! leave him to it!

[Tom]

Julian at Puma?, have no idea about the marketing world you high fliers mix in Tom, us grunts at the bottom of the pile are just concerned with willow and making the best possible bats from it. I guess you know that brands who can't and don't make their own bats buy them in from those that can, sometimes those that can will not always ship on a bat for some reason, it that case it can end up elsewhere, like this one has.

So if I bought a plain polo shirt from the factory which makes Lacoste polo shirts. Bought a seperate crocodile logo and stuck that on is it a genuine Lacoste polo? If I take a blank SG and stick Kooka stickers on is it genuine?

If you did buy it from Tim/Puma's supplier and cut Puma out it's not a genuine Puma and never will be regardless of stickers and who it was made for.

All this is besides the point though I guess, it's a lovely bat and performs brilliantly.

[Talisman]

I'm not sure who makes Lacoste polo shirts so you have me their Tom. But when Puma order bats for their International players from the best bat maker in the business then I would think whatever he makes for them is going to be a Puma bat. Therein lies the crux of our clash of opinions, you see a bat as something made for you in a factory with stickers added to make it your product, I see it as a bat.

Not sure what the performance will be like, it taps up very well.

[Black Cat Cricket]

I have no doubt that if an international player was using that bat, Puma would tell you it's a genuine Puma and would take credit for the runs scored etc, regardless of whether that particular bat went through their books at their HQ or not...

[Talisman]

Leo is not an international player yet..... but he has plans.....

[Tom]

Puma ordered the bat, they never received it and would therefore have never paid for it due to it going somewhere else. From my understanding this particular bat was never their property and it was consequently never a Puma bat.

[cd0070]

So the Lacoste polo made at the factory contracted by Lacoste, doesn't get shipped to their headquarters isn't a Lacoste polo??   

[seedy]

something fishy going on here!

Can someone clarify, is this bat a puma that has had puma labels added or is it just a plain bat that was stickered up?

[peplow]

Its a bat meant for a puma signed player, that wasnt required by the puma player i believe....

[SillyShilly]

Tom - Theoretically,  if i was to go to hunts and pick out one of your blank mongoose's and then use stickers that you sold on an external site, would this bat still not be a mongoose because you havnt got your cut?
 To me, and probably most other people, that bat would be a mongoose regardless of whether you have made the profit or someone else.

[Talisman]

Bat rejected by the bat maker and another made in its place, most if not all other companies would haver sent it. Made for an order of 4 for a player, to his spec's. I added the Ballistic stickers as I got a set to check the quality, I also added a Lekka grip to check the quality of that too, not claiming the bat is a Lekka!!!

[Tom]

Theoretically SS it's a fake yes. The bat isn't a genuine Mongoose as it isn't authorised by us. Another slightly different example is that if I import Levi jeans from America and sell them here they're not genuine in the eyes of the law.

You didn't claim the bat was a Lekka, but you claimed it was a genuine Puma.

[procricket]

so who made the bat you said the best batmaker in the world did it come from New Zealand ?

[Talisman]

OK then would this be better,

A genuine Pro spec bat made to England Players spec's supplied by Puma, but rejected by the bat maker as not quite right and sold with a Genuine set of Puma stickers and genuine Lekka grip. Please say yes Tom.

New Zealand!!!!!!!!!!!!!! full of Sheep and Sheep S.......'s

[Ayrtek Cricket]

Shearer's?