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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #75 on: May 14, 2020, 01:58:23 PM »

I've yet to see a pro bat I'd be interested in using myself, even regardless of cost.
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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #76 on: May 14, 2020, 02:28:04 PM »

Can't express your views without someone attacking you to feed their ego
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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #77 on: May 14, 2020, 02:58:29 PM »

Your point was that you couldn't score boundaries with a pro bat because often you play on poor pitches, so I took it to the extreme and showed the argument was wrong. Not sure I understand this subsequent post?

Mate its simple, playing with a pro bat will not make you or me a pro. I have been bestowed with few pro bats in the past and not all suited my style of play. To be a good batsman, skills are required to play at top level  or at my end its called Division A. I dont need a pro bat to make me feel special unless I want to brag about it. A good bat should have nice ping, balance and skills to score runs at the top level. I really dont know how you play and hence I dont want to argue with you further on this.
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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #78 on: May 14, 2020, 03:12:06 PM »

At the end of the day any top professional will use the best tools available to them.

It’s like saying federer would have still been great using a racket out of Asda compared to the best technology allows. Or some top hair dresser would be able to give a decent cut with my kitchen scissors.

The pros bats are generally better across the board, obviously there are some exceptions to the rule.

Pros are far better players and yes they would still be pros with average bats but a top bat makes a hell of a difference.

Amen.

Are true pro bats better than a standard off the shelf bat? Yes.
Will a pro bat make me a pro batsman? No.

The benefits for an average played using a pro bat realistically, are minimal. But it cannot be disputed, there are benefits.

As for what that benefit is worth to an average player, is totally subjective. In almost all cases the difference in cost between an average and pro bat would be far better spent on coaching, as that will go that little bit further towards making you bat like a pro.

We're talking tiny percentages at the end of the day.
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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2020, 03:15:42 PM »

The fact remains a Pro would score more runs with a GM 404 for example than I would with Joe Roots actual bat
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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2020, 03:23:48 PM »

The fact remains a Pro would score more runs with a GM 404 for example than I would with Joe Roots actual bat

Exactly. Give them our bat and they will score runs with it easily.
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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #81 on: May 14, 2020, 04:05:00 PM »

It's bollox that a bat Joe Root may hit 200 odd with will make you suddenly amazing but there's no way you are buying a 2.9 of that size with that volume of wood off the shelf. The ex Root Wade bat on p3 is another example. You just aren't going to get that so in that respect there *can* be something a little be special about "pro bats"


This was mid range as well. Big big bats at low weights do come up now and again.

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=23387.0
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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #82 on: May 14, 2020, 04:32:21 PM »

That’s huge in terms of specs but look at the shoulder down view of the Wade bat. Hard to tell from pics alone but it looks like yet another level of crazy
In the case of the Wade bat I think the fact that it looks to be about a size 5 blade does contribute...
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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #83 on: May 14, 2020, 04:45:58 PM »

Can't express your views without someone attacking you to feed their ego
I actually didn't realise who this was aimed at initially, but having re read the topic it's pretty clear is aimed at me, can I suggest you readress your definition of being attacked, I simply pointed out that you were wrong, but I'm attacking you to feed my ego? Crazy.

Can I suggest that a public forum where people are allowed to disagree like adults and voice different opinions for discussion is not the place for you if you feel my response was attacking you.

 
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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #84 on: May 14, 2020, 04:47:09 PM »

Mate its simple, playing with a pro bat will not make you or me a pro. I have been bestowed with few pro bats in the past and not all suited my style of play. To be a good batsman, skills are required to play at top level  or at my end its called Division A. I dont need a pro bat to make me feel special unless I want to brag about it. A good bat should have nice ping, balance and skills to score runs at the top level. I really dont know how you play and hence I dont want to argue with you further on this.
@joymarvin I think we are both arguing the same point, I actually got you and @jayralh mixed up, in a few of my responses, apologies.
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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #85 on: May 14, 2020, 05:06:05 PM »

If it was an old Root bat you’d suspect it’s about an inch shorter. It’ll make the shoulders look thicker but the point was the different distribution of wood between that and the Kook. Probably wasted wood but it looks pretty darn chunky all the way through.
Doesn't look like he gets them from Root, looks like he gets them from @InternalTraining ! That is a very short bat, especially bearing in mind that Wade's tiny. Significantly shorter blade and nothing below the middle does leave you with a lot of wood to play with in the edges/shoulders etc.

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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #86 on: May 14, 2020, 05:07:30 PM »

Doesn't look like he gets them from Root, looks like he gets them from @InternalTraining ! That is a very short bat, especially bearing in mind that Wade's tiny. Significantly shorter blade and nothing below the middle does leave you with a lot of wood to play with in the edges/shoulders etc.


Looks very newbery blitz esque that, which was from memory about 2 inches shorter, which is a huge amount of wood across the blade
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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #87 on: May 14, 2020, 05:33:03 PM »


I think we can all agree the top top pros get better than any of us mere mortals can get hold of and even most average county players.......

True dat! Those are exceptional bats!
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i am by no means saying these bats make you a superior player, i certainly would feel a million dollars wielding one of those bad boys even if i lasted 2 balls before snicking off :)

Here is my experience: I have used non-performing/poor bats and I was always over-powering my shots, consequently losing my shape. With a well performing (or even a great bat), a well timed push or a punch sends the ball to the rope. I maintain shape, alignment is good, and I could play proper shots without over-exertion. When all is said and done, those nice bats have made a BIG difference in my batting. With a forgiving bat, timing a ball becomes a LOT easier.
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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #88 on: May 14, 2020, 05:35:58 PM »

Pro bats are good as long as you play against pro bowler with pro skills on pro wicket on pro outfield. cant hit boundary same way as pro will given the some park grounds most of us play on.

Not at all, you can use a high performance bat to score boundaries on crappy grounds. 

Weight may be the only difference. I like a heavier bat on these crappy outfields where grass may be 5'' or higher but if I played on "manicured" Test level grounds, I'd opt for a lighter bat. It's still take a "pro" bat or a "mere mortal" bat any day. :)
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Re: Couple of Players bats
« Reply #89 on: May 14, 2020, 05:38:24 PM »

5" grass?! You'd waste a lot of time looking for the ball...
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