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jamesisapayne

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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #315 on: July 14, 2020, 06:40:21 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on July 14, 2020, 04:42:43 PM
I do wish we would stop this obsession with Ashes cricket, there's plenty of other teams to play first. It's almost disrespectful to the rest of the test playing nations.

Amen to that, have thought the same for years. I love ashes cricket, it's a brilliant series hard fought between two great cricketing nations, but this obsession with it over everything else is a joke.

Why aren't we building a team to be the best no matter who they play against our what the conditions are. Isn't that what makes a great side. Not just one who manages to win an ashes series every two years??
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #316 on: July 14, 2020, 07:09:46 PM »
this might be a dumb question, but why do people assume WI are underdogs? They are not!
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #317 on: July 14, 2020, 07:24:23 PM »
Quote from: brokenbat on July 14, 2020, 07:09:46 PM
this might be a dumb question, but why do people assume WI are underdogs? They are not!

Test ranking probably the reason why.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #318 on: July 14, 2020, 07:32:39 PM »
Quote from: brokenbat on July 14, 2020, 07:09:46 PM
this might be a dumb question, but why do people assume WI are underdogs? They are not!

England have so many world class players though!


WI are the 'lesser' side really but then this England side is over rated and some of the players are nothing special at all.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #319 on: July 14, 2020, 09:06:22 PM »
Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on July 14, 2020, 07:32:39 PM
England have so many world class players though!


WI are the 'lesser' side really but then this England side is over rated and some of the players are nothing special at all.

Or are world class in a different format 😂
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #320 on: July 15, 2020, 05:30:39 AM »
Quote from: Jimbo on July 14, 2020, 09:06:22 PM
Or are world class in a different format 😂

More accurate yes.

Again, it’s that belief that the formats require the same skills which simply isn’t true (well it is but it’s not) . We have some past it players on the downturn , two players at their peak (of which one has a world class avg , the other doesn’t) the rest are bang average or less

Wi have nothing past its peak, nothing really world class and maybe only holder as anything above average
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #321 on: July 15, 2020, 08:55:24 AM »
Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on July 15, 2020, 05:30:39 AM
More accurate yes.

Again, it’s that belief that the formats require the same skills which simply isn’t true (well it is but it’s not) . We have some past it players on the downturn , two players at their peak (of which one has a world class avg , the other doesn’t) the rest are bang average or less

Wi have nothing past its peak, nothing really world class and maybe only holder as anything above average
A bit harsh on Holder no? He’s a world class bowler. Throw in the batting and captaincy he’s about as complete a package as you’ll probably find. I’d probably say Holder’s worth as Captain is worth more than his batting and bowling.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #322 on: July 15, 2020, 10:44:54 AM »
Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on July 15, 2020, 05:30:39 AM

Wi have nothing past its peak, nothing really world class and maybe only holder as anything above average

Holder is the No1 ranked all rounder in test cricket and some way ahead of Stokes in the points system so is way above average
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #323 on: July 15, 2020, 11:54:00 AM »
Holder is world class. end of.

He definitely doesn't get the recognition he deserves and I think that it is because hes a bowling all rounder rather than batting all rounder.

All rounders seem to get much more credit for their roll with the bat than with the ball
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #324 on: July 15, 2020, 01:30:20 PM »
Denners dropped, crawley to bat at 3
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #325 on: July 15, 2020, 01:55:17 PM »
Yeah, he did his best-stepped up to 3 when others didn’t want too.
Not quite good enough, no shame in that-there’s been plenty before.
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Re: England’s international summer
« Reply #326 on: July 15, 2020, 02:10:28 PM »
Quote from: RPC/Blueroom Cricket - Adie on July 15, 2020, 05:30:39 AM


Wi have nothing past its peak, nothing really world class and maybe only holder as anything above average

The same Holder who is the top ranked all rounder in the world and who took his wickets in his last 10 tests at 11 when there are only 2 other bowlers in the last 100 years of test cricket who have averaged below 13 across any 10 test spell? If there is any pattern across our recent series with the West Indies, it is failing to recognise the quality in the team we are playing
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #327 on: July 15, 2020, 02:54:23 PM »
What on Earth does Buttler have to do to get dropped
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #328 on: July 15, 2020, 03:02:42 PM »
Quote from: rickjames on July 15, 2020, 02:54:23 PM
What on Earth does Buttler have to do to get dropped

Good bloke selection policy
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Re: England�s international summer
« Reply #329 on: July 15, 2020, 03:19:33 PM »
Jimmy and Wood rested

Sammy Curran and Ollie Robinson included
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