Topic: England�s international summer (Read 123800 times)

billyb · « **Reply #480 on:** July 19, 2020, 05:25:28 PM »

STOKES AND BUTTLER OPENING!

This is either going to be great or terrible...

csnew · « **Reply #481 on:** July 19, 2020, 05:29:10 PM »

Went terribly then

ppccopener · « **Reply #482 on:** July 19, 2020, 05:45:22 PM »

Admire the positive thinking from us but this very rarly works changing both.
Could understand Sibley moving down but replace him with Crawley/Pope/stokes.

A new ball and test match fields are different,then if we have a decent start push butler up.

Don't expect to have many agree but I actually feel a bit sorry for Jos there

SD · « **Reply #483 on:** July 19, 2020, 06:35:32 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on July 19, 2020, 05:45:22 PM

Admire the positive thinking from us but this very rarly works changing both.
Could understand Sibley moving down but replace him with Crawley/Pope/stokes.

A new ball and test match fields are different,then if we have a decent start push butler up.

Don't expect to have many agree but I actually feel a bit sorry for Jos there

I don't think that we have any option but to treat this as a T20. Given the situation in the series, we can bat at most for an hour tomorrow then see if the bowlers can get us over the line.

Butler has in both innings done the job that he has been required to do. As a limited overs side, we are in a position where players put the interests of the team before their own. Something that we have had in the test side in the recent past and need to get back to

ppccopener · « **Reply #484 on:** July 19, 2020, 07:08:06 PM »

Quote from: SD on July 19, 2020, 06:35:32 PM

I don't think that we have any option but to treat this as a T20. Given the situation in the series, we can bat at most for an hour tomorrow then see if the bowlers can get us over the line.

Butler has in both innings done the job that he has been required to do. As a limited overs side, we are in a position where players put the interests of the team before their own. Something that we have had in the test side in the recent past and need to get back to

Yeah I get that but you could fit two full T20 matches into tomorrow's overs, forecast is fine. Around 290 would be a record I believe to win and I'm looking at the best way to keep momentum so we win the match.

There's obviously differing views how you can achieve that.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #485 on:** July 19, 2020, 07:33:42 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on July 19, 2020, 07:08:06 PM

Yeah I get that but you could fit two full T20 matches into tomorrow's overs, forecast is fine. Around 290 would be a record I believe to win and I'm looking at the best way to keep momentum so we win the match.

There's obviously differing views how you can achieve that.

290 is too many. Wi won�t even try and chase it .. anything above 120 per session available to WI will simply not tempt them... 240 off 2 sessions will just dangle the carrot enough

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #486 on:** July 19, 2020, 07:36:08 PM »

The skill in tests and draw games is scoring enough to win but also not too many so that the oppos chase it. How many times do you hear �they didn�t even bother, how Boring�.. answer there is �maybe you scored to many�..

Tactics.. this is when we know if root is willing to take a risk to win or simply play safe and hope

billyb · « **Reply #487 on:** July 19, 2020, 07:36:39 PM »

Get to 300 and let the fun begin!

six and out · « **Reply #488 on:** July 19, 2020, 07:43:44 PM »

There are 98 overs available tomorrow from what I have heard.

Which means the opportunity for 2 new balls if we declare early enough. I don't think the chance of that 2nd new ball should be wasted when we saw today what a difference it makes on this wicket.

If we bat for about 10 overs try and get as many as possible and declare. That will then leave at least 5/6 overs with the 2nd new ball should we need to knock the tail over at the end etc....

ppccopener · « **Reply #489 on:** July 19, 2020, 07:45:48 PM »

Quote from: six and out on July 19, 2020, 07:43:44 PM

There are 98 overs available tomorrow from what I have heard.

Which means the opportunity for 2 new balls if we declare early enough. I don't think the chance of that 2nd new ball should be wasted when we saw today what a difference it makes on this wicket.

If we bat for about 10 overs try and get as many as possible and declare. That will then leave at least 5/6 overs with the 2nd new ball should we need to knock the tail over at the end etc....

Exactly. We don't need to go nuts and we need that second new ball. If they were chasing 290'that would be a record, that would be too high.

I agree, 10 overs batting if we get 260 ahead I think we can win.

SD · « **Reply #490 on:** July 19, 2020, 07:50:38 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on July 19, 2020, 07:08:06 PM

Yeah I get that but you could fit two full T20 matches into tomorrow's overs, forecast is fine. Around 290 would be a record I believe to win and I'm looking at the best way to keep momentum so we win the match.

There's obviously differing views how you can achieve that.

The only problem with the T20 comparison is that first you don't have to bowl the opposition out to win a T20 and second that the Windies onky have to draw and England can't win the series

This still looks pretty good pitch to me and the Windies aren't going to take huge risks with the the target they are set given they a 1-0 up in a 3 match series

shadowlight · « **Reply #491 on:** July 19, 2020, 09:11:05 PM »

What�s the logic around Woakes bowling first change, behind Curran?

adampai · « **Reply #492 on:** July 19, 2020, 11:06:49 PM »

Do you guys think that the memories of headingley 2017 will affect how early they are willing to declare

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/10719/scorecard/1031661/england-vs-west-indies-2nd-test-wi-tour-of-england-2017

little reminder incase any of you forgot. You dont want to get overly aggressive and lose the series. You have to get at least 300 on the board as quickly as you can and back your bowlers to get wickets in the time remaining

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #493 on:** July 19, 2020, 11:25:41 PM »

There has to be a realistic target that would entice West Indies to actually go for the win.
I�d hazard a guess something like 270 off 90 overs. That leaves Root with the option of 10 overs with a second new ball.
If West Indies are good enough to chase that down on fifth day(fourth in reality) pitch, more power to them.
England have to roll the dice as West Indies will retain the Wisden Trophy with a drawn series.

ppccopener · « **Reply #494 on:** July 20, 2020, 07:36:19 AM »

Yes I think we need to gamble as well, we are going to have to prise them out if they load a couple of wickets early. About 260 or 270 could be enough

Not sure I�m with others on the state of the pitch, looks like to me there is enough there to get a result...

289 I believe is the record chase so that shows odds are against a forth innings win.

The seamers have done the damage could be Bess does not play a huge part today
Let�s see anyway...could be a great days cricket

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