Topic: Teas after COVID-19 (Read 30139 times)

SLA · « **Reply #60 on:** November 26, 2020, 09:16:06 AM »

Quote from: SD on November 25, 2020, 09:00:27 PM

There were a few questions and yes there were from the more casual players who don't help out with any of the jobs around the Club! At the start of the year at the AGM we did break down costs to show that match fees don't actually cover the cost of playing

Sure, but that's why you have sponsorships and fundraisers, right?

SLA · « **Reply #61 on:** November 26, 2020, 09:19:37 AM »

Quote from: SD on November 26, 2020, 01:13:00 AM

We charge �120 registration and �10 per game which isn't the highest around us, but isn't the cheapest either.

I am not sure what the experience is of other Clubs around the country, but I am not aware of a Club in our immediate area playing at our level that meets the costs of senior cricket through subs and match fees. There are clubs - of which we are not one - with the costs of overseas and domestic based paid players which will never be met through the contribution of senior players. For rest, the gap is made up from a surplus from junior cricket, fundraising, sponsorship and clubhouse income.

This year has been more profitable than normal for us. Of course income is down but expenditure has fallen greater. When it costs more to play senior games than you bring in from them, you save money from games not going ahead. Conversely it has been the problem for professional sport in this country outside of Premier League football that they can only meet their overheads through match day income

Smaller clubs can - one of my clubs simply charges �5 per player and gets �45 off the opposition, and this covers ground hire and a match ball. What else do you need? Putting on a cricket match doesn't have to be expensive and complicated.

ppccopener · « **Reply #62 on:** November 26, 2020, 11:35:38 AM »

Quote from: SLA on November 26, 2020, 09:19:37 AM

Smaller clubs can - one of my clubs simply charges �5 per player and gets �45 off the opposition, and this covers ground hire and a match ball. What else do you need? Putting on a cricket match doesn't have to be expensive and complicated.

It's the exact opposite for many clubs who need to hire council pitches to play. This cost has risen substantially in the last 20 years as local councils no longer see cricket clubs as providing a service for the community and instead look to rateable income from the grounds they own. That rateable value has increased dramatically especially in London where my old club is.

There are many others in our area struggling and have folded or merged with others for this reason.
So your experience is not necessarily applicable elsewhere.

SLA · « **Reply #63 on:** November 26, 2020, 11:49:28 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on November 26, 2020, 11:35:38 AM

It's the exact opposite for many clubs who need to hire council pitches to play. This cost has risen substantially in the last 20 years as local councils no longer see cricket clubs as providing a service for the community and instead look to rateable income from the grounds they own. That rateable value has increased dramatically especially in London where my old club is.

There are many others in our area struggling and have folded or merged with others for this reason.
So your experience is not necessarily applicable elsewhere.

How much are you paying for a pitch?

ppccopener · « **Reply #64 on:** November 26, 2020, 11:51:42 AM »

3rd and 4th 11 pitch hire is in excess of 120 per game.

It�s not just pitch cost..insurance,electricity etc. It�s a long list of additional costs.

SLA · « **Reply #65 on:** November 26, 2020, 12:03:03 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on November 26, 2020, 11:51:42 AM

3rd and 4th 11 pitch hire is in excess of 120 per game.

It�s not just pitch cost..insurance,electricity etc. It�s a long list of additional costs.

That's expensive - is there nothing cheaper? Its still easily covered with a slightly higher match fee though.

If you're just hiring the pitch, why are you paying for electricity?

and insurance is less than �100 per year, unless you're getting totally stiffed.

Jimbo · « **Reply #66 on:** November 26, 2020, 12:31:53 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 26, 2020, 12:03:03 PM

That's expensive - is there nothing cheaper? Its still easily covered with a slightly higher match fee though.

If you're just hiring the pitch, why are you paying for electricity?

and insurance is less than �100 per year, unless you're getting totally stiffed.

If you play on public parks you need public liability insurance. That's a bit more than �100 a year, can't remember what my club pays but it's not insignificant.

SLA · « **Reply #67 on:** November 26, 2020, 02:03:47 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on November 26, 2020, 12:31:53 PM

If you play on public parks you need public liability insurance. That's a bit more than �100 a year, can't remember what my club pays but it's not insignificant.

Last time I checked a few years ago we paid �81 for 12 months cover. It might be marginally more than that now but its hardly an enormous sum, you can easily cover it out of membership fees.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #68 on:** November 26, 2020, 02:30:22 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 26, 2020, 09:19:37 AM

Smaller clubs can - one of my clubs simply charges �5 per player and gets �45 off the opposition, and this covers ground hire and a match ball. What else do you need? Putting on a cricket match doesn't have to be expensive and complicated.

I guess there is a massive difference between hiring a pitch or if your club has there own ground. Based on your figures that�s �100 income per game, match ball �10-�15 an which leaves �85odd for a pitch hire. Now we have only had to hire a pitch twice at my club as our venue was being used by the County age groups one weekend and that was �200 for a single game. I�m not an expert but I can�t imagine getting many pitches for �80 but clearly you can.

However �100 income per game for us owning our own ground just wouldn�t be sustainable. Annual costs of the wicket and grounds keeping is approx �4K per year excluding any maintenance on the machinery for the wickets or the gang mower for the outfield.

Insurance is approx �300 per year based on our last financial report from
Our AGM which was 2 weeks ago.

Cricket is just not a very cheap sport and as has been said the �community spirit� that was given to cricket clubs in years gone by has long gone from a few clubs I know that relied on this. Other sports that make more income now have the priority on council or sports club owned grounds.

ppccopener · « **Reply #69 on:** November 26, 2020, 03:18:35 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on November 26, 2020, 02:30:22 PM

I guess there is a massive difference between hiring a pitch or if your club has there own ground. Based on your figures that�s �100 income per game, match ball �10-�15 an which leaves �85odd for a pitch hire. Now we have only had to hire a pitch twice at my club as our venue was being used by the County age groups one weekend and that was �200 for a single game. I�m not an expert but I can�t imagine getting many pitches for �80 but clearly you can.

However �100 income per game for us owning our own ground just wouldn�t be sustainable. Annual costs of the wicket and grounds keeping is approx �4K per year excluding any maintenance on the machinery for the wickets or the gang mower for the outfield.

Insurance is approx �300 per year based on our last financial report from
Our AGM which was 2 weeks ago.

Cricket is just not a very cheap sport and as has been said the �community spirit� that was given to cricket clubs in years gone by has long gone from a few clubs I know that relied on this. Other sports that make more income now have the priority on council or sports club owned grounds.

This is accurate, it very much depends on whether you own your ground, in London apart from the rich clubs this type of ownership is pretty rare.you have to rent from the Council.

'Community spirit' indeed gave many clubs I know a leg up-linking to local schools and reflecting the make up of the local area.

Councils squeezed for money will look at any option to raise funds, that means the old way Chris refers to is outdated,the rateable value of pitch/facilities hire will include as an example-hiring out for a wedding, lots of people and an expensive event.
The rateable value of the facility therefore has changed whether cricket is played on it or not.

Anyway this thread is about teas and not to get too far from the subject let's hope for some clubs this cost is now taken out completely, let's hope that does one or both or the following:

Reduces overall match fees to make the game more affordable.
Enables clubs to put some money funds back into the club-or perhaps a combination of the two.

Ameteur cricket is in a dire situation, lets hope despite teas going there is a positive going forward...

LockieEP · « **Reply #70 on:** November 26, 2020, 03:20:23 PM »

With our own ground I would estimate we need around �5k to �7k per year to be just about sustainable, we have many additional hoops to jump through to satisfy council and neighbours but with a bar and hiring out club during week to a small pre-school we can just cover these costs. Our membership is in decline and those existing members don't want to pay more or help out with jobs e.g. pay groundsman. We charge �60 membership and �8 match fee.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #71 on:** November 26, 2020, 03:48:28 PM »

A better option going back to food is our. T20 league. Games are normally played midweek with a request that some. Form of food is provided at the end of a game. Common options are a bbq or chil/curry normally with a cost of. �3-�4 this tends to be taken up well by both sets of players and spectators alike.

If it�s given that teas are no longer as important to the masses as before maybe a work round would be a simple bring your own lunch to allow a quicker turn around and then to encourage more people to stay and the social element more of a ficus on the after match element

SLA · « **Reply #72 on:** November 26, 2020, 04:20:15 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on November 26, 2020, 02:30:22 PM

I guess there is a massive difference between hiring a pitch or if your club has there own ground. Based on your figures that�s �100 income per game, match ball �10-�15 an which leaves �85odd for a pitch hire. Now we have only had to hire a pitch twice at my club as our venue was being used by the County age groups one weekend and that was �200 for a single game. I�m not an expert but I can�t imagine getting many pitches for �80 but clearly you can.

However �100 income per game for us owning our own ground just wouldn�t be sustainable. Annual costs of the wicket and grounds keeping is approx �4K per year excluding any maintenance on the machinery for the wickets or the gang mower for the outfield.

Insurance is approx �300 per year based on our last financial report from
Our AGM which was 2 weeks ago.

Cricket is just not a very cheap sport and as has been said the �community spirit� that was given to cricket clubs in years gone by has long gone from a few clubs I know that relied on this. Other sports that make more income now have the priority on council or sports club owned grounds.

As I say - it is possible to run a cricket club on a relatively shoestring budget. I've played for several such teams.

If you're at a larger club, presumably you have a sponsorship and fundraising committee? My Saturday club raise around �5,000 a year with relatively minimal effort.

SD · « **Reply #73 on:** November 26, 2020, 04:35:18 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 26, 2020, 09:19:37 AM

Smaller clubs can - one of my clubs simply charges �5 per player and gets �45 off the opposition, and this covers ground hire and a match ball. What else do you need? Putting on a cricket match doesn't have to be expensive and complicated.

My comment was made in reference to established cricket Clubs that operate a site rather than teams that hire pitches as and when required. I can see that if your costs are limited to paying for individual games in the way local league football operates then it is easier to budget using match fees to cover the costs.

When you operate a site you have many fixed costs irrespective of whether games to ahead or not. During the season, it costs my Club around �200 per week in consumables (fuel, grass seed, loam, fertiliser etc) and equipment servicing to maintain the ground alone. Over the year the cricket budget is c.�20k. Then there is CapEx when equipment needs replacing or facilities are improved. Cricket is not a cheap sport to deliver.

In this context, providing teas costs �2-3k per year depending on how many games are rained off which is a material costs that could be better invested in my view in other areas

SLA · « **Reply #74 on:** November 26, 2020, 05:00:20 PM »

Quote from: SD on November 26, 2020, 04:35:18 PM

My comment was made in reference to established cricket Clubs that operate a site rather than teams that hire pitches as and when required. I can see that if your costs are limited to paying for individual games in the way local league football operates then it is easier to budget using match fees to cover the costs.

When you operate a site you have many fixed costs irrespective of whether games to ahead or not. During the season, it costs my Club around �200 per week in consumables (fuel, grass seed, loam, fertiliser etc) and equipment servicing to maintain the ground alone. Over the year the cricket budget is c.�20k. Then there is CapEx when equipment needs replacing or facilities are improved. Cricket is not a cheap sport to deliver.

In this context, providing teas costs �2-3k per year depending on how many games are rained off which is a material costs that could be better invested in my view in other areas

Wow, how many pitches do you have? Maintaining our ground costs between �3000 and �4000 a year.

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