Topic: Teas after COVID-19 (Read 30124 times)

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #75 on:** November 26, 2020, 06:06:05 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 26, 2020, 04:20:15 PM

As I say - it is possible to run a cricket club on a relatively shoestring budget. I've played for several such teams.

If you're at a larger club, presumably you have a sponsorship and fundraising committee? My Saturday club raise around �5,000 a year with relatively minimal effort.

Just checked the financial statement from our AGM fully

Fundraising, grants and subscriptions which are the majority of our income with the exclusion of bar income was just short of �20,000 fundraising was �2.7k which is a lot lower as a lot of functions couldn�t happen last summer. Most came from sponsorship agreements for advertising boards at the ground last year as they are on a 3year rolling agreement and 2020 was the start of a new 3year period. There has obviously been zero social events since the end of the season and looks like it could well be the case there will be none until the start of the 2021 season (assuming we get a 2021 season in full)

Grounds costs were �5800 including the maintenance on the grounds equipment.
Insurance was �2400
Balls were �600 take a little change.

This sounds like a great position to be in but we are in the middle of a large renovation project on our pavilion to increase size to hold larger social events.

However we are a well established club with our own ground and finance takes a lot of managing to ensure we are always in a healthy to fairly healthy position.

However teas makes no financial benefit to us as in our league you do not charge for teas. We okay league cricket on both Saturday and Sunday so you provide and receive a tea for and from each side you play.

If you are a smaller club you in my opinion need to have 1 or 2 people that have a very good grasp of budgets and on the figures you quoted of �100 per game income from match fees and teas ( excluding if there is any cost to actually provide the teas ie players actually bring a tea for two system) based on say 30 games a season with half of these being at home would give an income of �1500 per season. You mention grounds costs are �3k-�4K so worst case this leaves a loss of �2500 which if you can generate �5000 per year only leaves �2500 profit.

It wouldn�t take much to eat that up so would leave a club in a potentially vulnerable position as this excludes costs for balls, and other such expenses although agree these can be kept to a minimum

alba caerulea · « **Reply #76 on:** November 26, 2020, 09:54:13 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 26, 2020, 05:00:20 PM

Wow, how many pitches do you have? Maintaining our ground costs between �3000 and �4000 a year.

How many pitches on your square and how many matches per season?

And does this include machinery repair and maintenance?

SD · « **Reply #77 on:** November 26, 2020, 10:10:13 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 26, 2020, 05:00:20 PM

Wow, how many pitches do you have? Maintaining our ground costs between �3000 and �4000 a year.

We have 15 pitches on the square and run 4 senior teams and 7 junior sides so the ground gets used most days/ evenings for games or training.

It would be a rare year when our equipment maintenance, servicing and replacement falls below �3k.

SLA · « **Reply #78 on:** November 27, 2020, 08:44:34 AM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on November 26, 2020, 09:54:13 PM

How many pitches on your square and how many matches per season?

And does this include machinery repair and maintenance?

7 pitches and maybe 40-50 games? We're probably an average size, 2-team club about halfway up the pyramid. About as average as average can be.

The roller is serviced every year for free as part of a sponsorship deal. The groundsman brings his own mower.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #79 on:** November 27, 2020, 02:10:04 PM »

Only the big clubs are turning a profit or those with outside interests (bar's etc, outside of cricket). Cricket can make money but generally only through Juniors (that includes parents bar takings).

You can run a club on a shoe string but generally that's with a lot of good will from someone and rarely produces a good ground/team (it will from time to time through luck but not regularly). Big clubs can simply then fund their way to the top via poaching, paying players and then it becomes the cycle we see in smaller clubs dying and bigger clubs just farming players up.

Anyway.. Tea's aren't required now.. cut the break to 15 mins turn around, scrap tea's.. You've just shorted the day by 30 mins which probably suits more players than it'll harm time wise and cuts costs.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #80 on:** November 27, 2020, 02:38:20 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 27, 2020, 08:44:34 AM

7 pitches and maybe 40-50 games? We're probably an average size, 2-team club about halfway up the pyramid. About as average as average can be.

The roller is serviced every year for free as part of a sponsorship deal. The groundsman brings his own mower.

Id love to see a full breakdown of these expenses but as the owner of a Sport Turf and Landscape business I smell bovine manure

6 or 7 games on each pitch would require an awful lot of repair, loam, seed etc?
And the groundsman brings his own mower, for free?
What about scarifying? Aeration? Mowing the outfield? Fertilising? Watering? Paint? Surrounding area?

We have 8 match pitches plus 2 practice pitches on the square but overall less than 40 fixtures. Our costs are very close to Soulmans and that is after the free use of the equipment I own plus voluntary hours from 3/4 of us.

On the original topic - our county AGM voted in the No Teas and it will continue as last season. So we have a tea break but must bring our own. Water, hot and cold must be provided for the away team!

Jimbo · « **Reply #81 on:** November 27, 2020, 02:45:13 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on November 27, 2020, 02:38:20 PM

On the original topic - our county AGM voted in the No Teas and it will continue as last season. So we have a tea break but must bring our own. Water, hot and cold must be provided for the away team!

I quite like the sound of that, bring your own food and we'll provide water and a cuppa. Suspect the food I'd bring is nicer than a lot of the teas in our league as well.

SLA · « **Reply #82 on:** November 30, 2020, 01:18:12 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on November 27, 2020, 02:38:20 PM

Id love to see a full breakdown of these expenses but as the owner of a Sport Turf and Landscape business I smell bovine manure

6 or 7 games on each pitch would require an awful lot of repair, loam, seed etc?
And the groundsman brings his own mower, for free?
What about scarifying? Aeration? Mowing the outfield? Fertilising? Watering? Paint? Surrounding area?

We have 8 match pitches plus 2 practice pitches on the square but overall less than 40 fixtures. Our costs are very close to Soulmans and that is after the free use of the equipment I own plus voluntary hours from 3/4 of us.

On the original topic - our county AGM voted in the No Teas and it will continue as last season. So we have a tea break but must bring our own. Water, hot and cold must be provided for the away team!

6 or 7 games per pitch is fine. Prepare it for Saturday, play on it again Sunday, repaint the lines midweek, play midweek, repair for Saturday, then repeat.

This summer the groundsman only wanted to use half the square and we had lots of games in a short space of time so we ended up using some pitches 10-15+ times. They did get a bit slow and low towards the end of that.

He's a good groundsman and he clearly knows what he's doing and we have good pitches, and so do some of the other clubs he does pitches for. One of the other pitches he maintains is regularly claimed to be the best batting pitch in the county. He provides everything except the roller.

I'm sorry you are not able to do your ground so efficiently. I'm not sure what additional advice I can give you.

As for the smell in your nose, maybe you should have a shower.

SLA · « **Reply #83 on:** November 30, 2020, 01:24:06 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on November 27, 2020, 02:45:13 PM

I quite like the sound of that, bring your own food and we'll provide water and a cuppa. Suspect the food I'd bring is nicer than a lot of the teas in our league as well.

and you can eat it whenever you want!

I normally eat in 3 bursts - an bag of crisps about 20 minutes before the start, a sandwich when I come in from batting, and then an apple when I come in from fielding. I don't want a whole plateful of food, and the one time I don't really want anything is in the changeover when I'm either putting my pads on or getting ready to field.

Jimbo · « **Reply #84 on:** November 30, 2020, 01:31:16 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 30, 2020, 01:18:12 PM

6 or 7 games per pitch is fine. Prepare it for Saturday, play on it again Sunday, repaint the lines midweek, play midweek, repair for Saturday, then repeat.

This summer the groundsman only wanted to use half the square and we had lots of games in a short space of time so we ended up using some pitches 10-15+ times. They did get a bit slow and low towards the end of that.

He's a good groundsman and he clearly knows what he's doing and we have good pitches, and so do some of the other clubs he does pitches for. One of the other pitches he maintains is regularly claimed to be the best batting pitch in the county. He provides everything except the roller.

I'm sorry you are not able to do your ground so efficiently. I'm not sure what additional advice I can give you.

As for the smell in your nose, maybe you should have a shower.

While it sounds like a great arrangement, it sounds like your club and the other clubs this bloke does work for have struck gold a bit. Wonderful for your club but not really applicable as advice or as a good gauge of what costs can/should be for other clubs not so fortunate.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #85 on:** November 30, 2020, 02:21:02 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 30, 2020, 01:18:12 PM

6 or 7 games per pitch is fine. Prepare it for Saturday, play on it again Sunday, repaint the lines midweek, play midweek, repair for Saturday, then repeat.

This summer the groundsman only wanted to use half the square and we had lots of games in a short space of time so we ended up using some pitches 10-15+ times. They did get a bit slow and low towards the end of that.

He's a good groundsman and he clearly knows what he's doing and we have good pitches, and so do some of the other clubs he does pitches for. One of the other pitches he maintains is regularly claimed to be the best batting pitch in the county. He provides everything except the roller.

I'm sorry you are not able to do your ground so efficiently. I'm not sure what additional advice I can give you.

As for the smell in your nose, maybe you should have a shower.

So your Saturday team will play on a wicket that has previously been used 3 times? Sounds tinpot to me

As I said Id be interested to see a breakdown of the costs for the extra things i mention.
Or the amount he charges and for what services.

This chap must work an awful lot of hours given how long it takes to get just one square and outfield up to a good standard! And for a measley wage by the sounds of it!

SLA · « **Reply #86 on:** November 30, 2020, 03:02:52 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on November 30, 2020, 02:21:02 PM

So your Saturday team will play on a wicket that has previously been used 3 times? Sounds tinpot to me

As I said Id be interested to see a breakdown of the costs for the extra things i mention.
Or the amount he charges and for what services.

This chap must work an awful lot of hours given how long it takes to get just one square and outfield up to a good standard! And for a measley wage by the sounds of it!

We pay between �3000 and �4000 per annum for him to maintain the square and prepare pitches for each game. He does maybe 6-8 hours a week during the summer preparing pitches? From asking around, that's about standard. if he does 4 grounds that's �16 grand for 5 months work, its hardly a measly wage.

"Tinpot"? What's that meant to mean? We could do with less arrogant snobs on here, thanks.

SLA · « **Reply #87 on:** November 30, 2020, 03:09:50 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on November 30, 2020, 01:31:16 PM

While it sounds like a great arrangement, it sounds like your club and the other clubs this bloke does work for have struck gold a bit. Wonderful for your club but not really applicable as advice or as a good gauge of what costs can/should be for other clubs not so fortunate.

TBH, as an average-sized club we're quite privileged in having enough money in the bank to be able to afford to pay a professional groundsman - we only started doing this 5 years ago during my stint as treasurer. Before that, we did it ourselves - and most of the clubs we play against still do that. Its much cheaper (less than �1k a year in seed, loam and equipment hire etc), but obviously you're not experts so the pitches aren't so good, and its a massive burden on the players.

If you're struggling to pay for your pitch upkeep, are you aware that most county boards have equipment they will lend you for a nominal fee? We used to borrow a scarifier every October and a heavy roller every April. I think it cost �50 for the weekend.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #88 on:** November 30, 2020, 03:11:06 PM »

Quote from: SLA on November 30, 2020, 03:02:52 PM

We pay between �3000 and �4000 per annum for him to maintain the square and prepare pitches for each game. He does maybe 6-8 hours a week during the summer preparing pitches? From asking around, that's about standard. if he does 4 grounds that's �16 grand for 5 months work, its hardly a measly wage.

"Tinpot"? What's that meant to mean? We could do with less arrogant snobs on here, thanks.

6-8 hours per week. We do 50 plus all told. You can see why im intrigued as to the discrepancies.

You've made your bed with many nonsense statements on club topics in the past so pardon me for treating you with cynicism

SLA · « **Reply #89 on:** November 30, 2020, 03:17:12 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on November 30, 2020, 03:11:06 PM

6-8 hours per week. We do 50 plus all told. You can see why im intrigued as to the discrepancies.

You've made your bed with many nonsense statements on club topics in the past so pardon me for treating you with cynicism

What on earth are you doing for 50 hours a week? All you have to do is cut it, roll it and paint the lines, and then maybe cut and roll next week's pitch for it to start to dry out. Are you sure you're making the best use of your time?

Your propensity to resort to personal insults says far more about you than it does about about anyone else.

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