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Sloggerz

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Toe guard removal
« on: September 19, 2020, 02:30:57 PM »
Trying to improve pick up on a bat as my bat feels a little bottom heavy. Has anyone noticed improvement in pickup after removing the toe guard?
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Re: Toe guard removal
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2020, 02:40:44 PM »
Quote from: Sloggerz on September 19, 2020, 02:30:57 PM
Trying to improve pick up on a bat as my bat feels a little bottom heavy. Has anyone noticed improvement in pickup after removing the toe guard?

Depends on the type of toe guard. They usually weigh 0.2 oz, and Removing it probably can make the pickup a little better. I have tried it in the past (replaced toe guard with shoe goo) and it did help. Sticker removal (esp if there is one near the back of the toe), or replacing scuff sheet with thinner one (fibre) will also help.
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Re: Toe guard removal
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2020, 02:50:00 PM »
Its a standard toe guard looks thick. Just removed a sticker on the back . Hopefully with the guard off it picks up better.
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Re: Toe guard removal
« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2020, 10:46:20 PM »
Imho as batswing is in rotational mechanics realm rather than linear, and toe being the farthest point from pivot( elbow for proper player and wrist for other) any weight taken from toe will vastly improve 'pickup'(aka pendulum swing from elbow) as center of mass moment will be moved up.
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Re: Toe guard removal
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2020, 07:58:13 AM »
Put an extra grip.
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Re: Toe guard removal
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2020, 08:56:58 AM »
Removing 0.2oz will make a difference?? If you took it to a bat maker and said take me 0.2 off the toe please to help the pick up would they think you were mad?
On another note, has any one ever tested how much shoe goo weighs?
I know it would depend on how much you use but if you were using it to reduce weight by 0.2oz then it must add some sort of  weight back on?
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Re: Toe guard removal
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2020, 12:23:20 PM »
Quote from: DorsetDan on September 20, 2020, 07:35:36 AM
“Vastly”? Any difference you think you feel will be in your head

It is close to 0.5 oz and I have done it practically. At the end of the day its whatever floats your boat man. Check how many pros bats have toe guard, they rather have more willow in hitting zone than dead weight at the bottom. I just prefer shoe goo,  lighter and still gives protection from moisture.

https://imgur.com/a/H2W0jL7
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Re: Toe guard removal
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2020, 12:53:34 PM »
This thread is comedy gold!

Claiming a toe guard is close to 0.5oz, then showing a picture of an uncut one at 0.35. you'll lose a lot of that raw material when it's applied.

As for pro not having a toe guard because they'd "rather have more willow in the hitting zone than dead weight at the bottom". Do people really think 6 grams of rubber makes any noticeable difference? It's all psychological.

The reason pro's don't use a toe guard is more likely because the toes of their bats don't need guarding. They don't have to play on damp council pitches, and if their bat breaks they just get another one out. It's nothing to do with getting an extra few grams of willow into the hitting area 🤣
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Re: Toe guard removal
« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2020, 02:51:59 PM »
Why are people jumping on the poster ? If he wants to remove his toe guard, let him.

It’s the easiest, most risk free way to try improving pickup. If it works, great. If it doesn’t, no big deal. In my personal experience, this does, and will make a difference.

Will it make a 3lb bat pick up like a Harrow bat? Obviously not. But the bat will feel marginally lighter, and sometimes a marginal improvement is well worth the effort, especially when the effort required is so minimal.
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Re: Toe guard removal
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2020, 02:57:32 PM »
Even if it is all in the head, how many of us would benefit from a bit more confidence when we go out to bat?
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Re: Toe guard removal
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2020, 04:38:06 PM »
Quote from: Sloggerz on September 19, 2020, 02:30:57 PM
Trying to improve pick up on a bat as my bat feels a little bottom heavy. Has anyone noticed improvement in pickup after removing the toe guard?

No, not really. My toe guards just come off because of the bat's toe rubbing against the pitch; I have not sensed any pick up improvement afterwards.

1 to 2 ounce of bat weight difference begins to matter: a.) after a loooong inning when your arms are tired (or you as a whole are just tired); b.) facing quick, short bowling that you normally don't face. Other than that, 1 or < 1 ounce of weight is pretty negligible. All of that become irrelevant when you become stronger and develop muscular endurance. Hit the gym. ;)
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Re: Toe guard removal
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2020, 07:19:36 PM »
Quote from: Batoff on September 20, 2020, 12:53:34 PM
This thread is comedy gold!

Claiming a toe guard is close to 0.5oz, then showing a picture of an uncut one at 0.35. you'll lose a lot of that raw material when it's applied.

As for pro not having a toe guard because they'd "rather have more willow in the hitting zone than dead weight at the bottom". Do people really think 6 grams of rubber makes any noticeable difference? It's all psychological.

The reason pro's don't use a toe guard is more likely because the toes of their bats don't need guarding. They don't have to play on damp council pitches, and if their bat breaks they just get another one out. It's nothing to do with getting an extra few grams of willow into the hitting area 🤣

Whatever man, 0.35 uncut toe guard plus glue is still dead weight at end of pendulum. If you want to argue with hard numbers than I have nothing to say. Me being engineer deal with numbers rather than "feeling" and "psychological stuff". The difference between light and medium is 2 oz  & medium to heavy is 2 oz for most bat makers so you may want to check your math. Also not to mention mid, mid high , mid low bats are all different when swinging it, so I think rubber toe guard does make difference if bat weight is upper end of weight spectrum for batsman otherwise its all good.
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Re: Toe guard removal
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2020, 10:32:48 PM »
If you had identical twin bats. One with a toe guard and one without.

And asked 100 blindfolded people to tell you which had the toe guard on. Just by gripping the handle...
I’m backing a 50:50 split at worst 60:40 as a result of the random nature of the test.
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Re: Toe guard removal
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2020, 05:25:49 AM »
You're not gonna notice it whatsoever, but if you care for your bat take the toe guard off anyway!
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