Topic: England v Sri lanka (Read 45383 times)

Manormanic · « **Reply #390 on:** January 23, 2021, 01:32:43 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on January 23, 2021, 01:10:07 PM

Is Bracey known to be strong against spin? Heard bits about how promising he is but not much detail.

On current evidence, even if he doesn't make a run he would save the couple that Sibley averages in the field

billyb · « **Reply #391 on:** January 23, 2021, 02:31:09 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 23, 2021, 09:59:08 AM

Word is Rashid was interested in a Test recall toward the end of last Summer but when he tried to get through a full day of bowling in the nets at Leeds he woke up in serious pain the day after. Its a shame, because he is certainly better than the two we have here, but I doubt that we will ever see him play the long form of the game again.

Damn, that is a real shame. Very good player!

ppccopener · « **Reply #392 on:** January 23, 2021, 02:35:43 PM »

Quote from: beaver5 on January 23, 2021, 12:52:05 PM

If they aren't going to bring anyone else in, then I'd drop Sibley and open with Foakes in India. He'd do a far better job.

Foakes wouldn't open but for those of us that think he should be playing the best keeper, the argument the batting is weakened by doing that I'm struggling to get my head around.

I suppose if you look at the players available, there are a lot of good middle order players in a bunch together
Root
Pope
Butler
Ali
Lawrence
Bairstow
Foakes
Curran
Woakes

It's up top we don't have many options, and that has been our problem for quite a long time.

Manormanic · « **Reply #393 on:** January 23, 2021, 04:35:13 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 23, 2021, 02:35:43 PM

Foakes wouldn't open but for those of us that think he should be playing the best keeper, the argument the batting is weakened by doing that I'm struggling to get my head around.

I suppose if you look at the players available, there are a lot of good middle order players in a bunch together
Root
Pope
Butler
Ali
Lawrence
Bairstow
Foakes
Curran
Woakes

It's up top we don't have many options, and that has been our problem for quite a long time.

Thats where horses for courses works better than "this is our XI" - we have reasonable top order options in England in Burns, Sibley, Crawley and a couple of others. In the subcontinent, there is less of an issue with a guy who elsewhere would ideally bat six stepping up - Buttler, for example, is someone who you would expect to get blown away if he batted at the top in England, but he would probably do well enough in these conditions.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #394 on:** January 23, 2021, 04:37:10 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 23, 2021, 09:59:08 AM

Word is Rashid was interested in a Test recall toward the end of last Summer but when he tried to get through a full day of bowling in the nets at Leeds he woke up in serious pain the day after. Its a shame, because he is certainly better than the two we have here, but I doubt that we will ever see him play the long form of the game again.

I think the white-rose tinted spectacles have reached a new peak with that claim!

The average gap between them (10 runs) in both first class and Test cricket should be enough to prove otherwise but theres also the last Tour of Sri Lanka where they both played on the same pitches vrs the same opposition (in fact Leach bowled more often agaist the top order) and Rashid was comprehensively outbowled.

Admittedly Leach has not been near his best so far. Probably quite understandably.

The longer Rashid is out of the team he seems to become a better bowler. People only seem to remember the eye catching dismissals and big spinning leggys which he undoubtedly has in his locker. I remember the regular drag downs and 4 balls which he also serves up

Id have him in this team as the luxury 3rd spinner. I wouldnt pick him ahead of Leach ever.

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #395 on:** January 23, 2021, 05:18:18 PM »

With regards to India, if we have mediocre spinners then there�s not a lot the selection panel can do. You can only pick what you got. Don�t see Bess being anything other than a liability. Still got big hopes for Leach.
Alternatively rather than picking 2/3 spinners pick 2/3 rapid bowlers - someone like Steyn had an incredible record in India.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #396 on:** January 23, 2021, 06:46:17 PM »

You mean just totally give up on the idea of spin bowling? Crikey!

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #397 on:** January 23, 2021, 06:53:19 PM »

Too much straight-line 'up and over' coaching. Possibly.

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #398 on:** January 23, 2021, 07:03:24 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on January 23, 2021, 06:46:17 PM

You mean just totally give up on the idea of spin bowling? Crikey!

Not give up on spin bowling. I�d pick Leach as the only spinner. Archer, Stokes, Stone and Anderson/Broad.

ppccopener · « **Reply #399 on:** January 23, 2021, 07:13:08 PM »

I'd have Leach in I think he's our best bet spin wise.

It's a bit early to predict what might happen but at the moment we may have to hope because of India's pace attack the wickets do offer help to the seamers because they are our best bowlers too.

It will spin there, it always has....but you're back to selection on our best players or the conditions, are your best the best regardless of conditions.

Rather than pick a bowler who is not up to it, another batsmen or another seamer would be an option.
We are going to need runs on the board for sure just to get in the game.

Tricky...but England have been here before with Indian tours, the only difference now is they have four or five very good pace bowlers.

Manormanic · « **Reply #400 on:** January 23, 2021, 08:59:18 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on January 23, 2021, 04:37:10 PM

I think the white-rose tinted spectacles have reached a new peak with that claim!

OK, let's start with those averages. Bit different being the fifth bowler behind any combination of Sidey, Brooks, Bresnan, Patto, Plunkett and Coad on good wickets and bowling at Ciderabad. I'm not saying Leach isn't a decent bowler, but he has taken a lot of wickets in advantageous conditions.

Second, I would point out that Leach and Bess are bowling plenty of full bungers and drag downs right now. At least Dilly has the big turner's as well.

Third, White rose spectacles my backside. Rashid is... Less than popular with Yorkshire fans!

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #401 on:** January 23, 2021, 09:06:45 PM »

Forget the "ciderabad" rubbish

Leach is currently bowling in advantageous conditions

The only real comparison we can make is the last time they bowled together in the same side in the same conditions...
Leach won that

Also he's coming off the back of basically a year out and serious illness

He has excuses (less so in India), Bess on the other hand....

Manormanic · « **Reply #402 on:** January 23, 2021, 09:13:04 PM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on January 23, 2021, 09:06:45 PM

Forget the "ciderabad" rubbish

I'd be interested to understand the rationale for calling it rubbish, given that ECB pitch inspectors practically live there 😂

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #403 on:** January 23, 2021, 09:39:06 PM »

Wouldn't Dom Bess have been picked with greater regularity and not felt it necessary to move on?

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #404 on:** January 23, 2021, 09:40:28 PM »

Quote from: Manormanic on January 23, 2021, 09:13:04 PM

I'd be interested to understand the rationale for calling it rubbish, given that ECB pitch inspectors practically live there 😂

That's fine, except using that as a defense when we're in Sri Lanka is weak, especially when Leach easily out bowled Rashid and earnt the #1 spinner job

Only given to Bess as he wasn't fit

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