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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #420 on: January 24, 2021, 08:47:17 AM »

Not sure I agree with that, ball looked like it rolled up the boot after the ground to me,

But hard to tell given short leg was in the way, would like to see a better angle if possible

I thought he was quick to give it and also thought it could have hit the ground marginally before the boot. Still not entirely convinced from the other angle. Everyone seems pretty sure tho.

Great stats for Root as he passes KP in test runs.
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« Reply #421 on: January 24, 2021, 08:51:38 AM »

I thought he was quick to give it and also thought it could have hit the ground marginally before the boot. Still not entirely convinced from the other angle. Everyone seems pretty sure tho.

Great stats for Root as he passes KP in test runs.

Not as destructive as KP but a much better player for me. Look at who KP played with and who he was coming in after and compare it to Root and it tells you what you need to know about the context of those test runs.
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« Reply #422 on: January 24, 2021, 08:59:47 AM »

Not as destructive as KP but a much better player for me. Look at who KP played with and who he was coming in after and compare it to Root and it tells you what you need to know about the context of those test runs.

Big call that but I am leaning towards it aswell. KP only briefly had the burden of captaincy which has clearly affected Roots batting negatively - up until this tour!

0 hundreds in Australia through which is one thing he will want to correct next winter.
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« Reply #423 on: January 24, 2021, 09:13:02 AM »

Big call that but I am leaning towards it aswell. KP only briefly had the burden of captaincy which has clearly affected Roots batting negatively - up until this tour!

0 hundreds in Australia through which is one thing he will want to correct next winter.

It's certainly a tight call and KP was phenomenal to watch but I do wonder how many Root might have got with Cook, Strauss, Trott as the top 3 and Strauss as captain for the duration of his career.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #424 on: January 24, 2021, 09:13:20 AM »

Ah, losing one before tea
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #425 on: January 24, 2021, 09:15:53 AM »

Big call that but I am leaning towards it aswell. KP only briefly had the burden of captaincy which has clearly affected Roots batting negatively - up until this tour!

0 hundreds in Australia through which is one thing he will want to correct next winter.

Taken Root less time to get there though, which has to count for something. People above him on that list also who have less tons, yet don't have the conversion issue ever mentioned. Hope people finally just appreciate we have a world class batsman in our side.
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« Reply #426 on: January 24, 2021, 09:22:36 AM »

Taken Root less time to get there though, which has to count for something. People above him on that list also who have less tons, yet don't have the conversion issue ever mentioned. Hope people finally just appreciate we have a world class batsman in our side.

I think you've misread what I wrote, I said im leaning towards Root.

My point about the captaincy is that his batting would be even better without it
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #427 on: January 24, 2021, 09:25:04 AM »

It's certainly a tight call and KP was phenomenal to watch but I do wonder how many Root might have got with Cook, Strauss, Trott as the top 3 and Strauss as captain for the duration of his career.

The captaincy has definitely been a distraction to him until now and I think the stats support that. I dont think hes a natural leader by any stretch. Doesn't mean he cant become a good one

Maybe this tour is the start of him being able to balance both so his batting can get back to his bests. It may just have taken a while to learn how
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« Reply #428 on: January 24, 2021, 10:02:46 AM »

It's certainly a tight call and KP was phenomenal to watch but I do wonder how many Root might have got with Cook, Strauss, Trott as the top 3 and Strauss as captain for the duration of his career.

That would be a difficult comparison to make, generally I think it's harder to bat 1,2,3 at any level so those runs count for a bit more for me. I opened for 30 years for my club so perhaps I'm biased, most of my team mates wanted to come in after 20 overs had passed.

KP might of benefited from having a few tired bowlers and a softer ball when he batted as Trott did a fantastic job for ages protecting the middle order.

Then there are a lot of views Bells 20 tons are not so good because  he followed KP....I don't really buy that, 20 Internatiknal hundreds count for a lot.

Root is def our best and up there with the best we have had. Cook,KP and Strauss played genuine pace very well, Root does not do that and it's his weakness.

Joe definatley plays spin better than Cook and Strauss and Trott.

I guess no batsman is perfect, there's a weakness somewhere.
I think Root would need to score runs against Australia - rightly or wrongly that's a yardstick often used.

He hasn't had the protection from the top order much, so in comparison to some others-perhaps he is better to overcome that.

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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #429 on: January 24, 2021, 10:42:00 AM »

Joe is a big boi
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #430 on: January 24, 2021, 10:45:02 AM »

The lack of openers is a real problem - the answer is probably to pick & stick with a pair and try and let them learn on the job.
NZ always seem to do well with making their decision and sticking with it
We need a good squad of two/three  players for every position - alongside the ever present Root & Stokes
Bairstow’s utility is as much of a strength as a weakness but in Asia he’s very good.

1 Burns or Bairstow
2 Sibley or Bairstow
3 Crawley or Lawrence or Pope
4 Root
5 Pope or Lawrence or Crawley
6 Stokes
7 Buttler or Bairstow
8 Curran or Woakes
9 Bess or Moeen or Leach
10 Archer or Wood
11 Broad or Anderson

Wildcards - Stone, Cook (yes that Cook) Lammondby, Virdi, AN Overton & Foakes
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #431 on: January 24, 2021, 10:55:47 AM »

Joe Root has been on the field for 93% of this test
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #432 on: January 24, 2021, 11:08:22 AM »

Bess calling Crawley gangly ahahahahahahahahahaha
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #433 on: January 24, 2021, 11:12:51 AM »

The lack of openers is a real problem - the answer is probably to pick & stick with a pair and try and let them learn on the job.
NZ always seem to do well with making their decision and sticking with it
We need a good squad of two/three  players for every position - alongside the ever present Root & Stokes
Bairstow’s utility is as much of a strength as a weakness but in Asia he’s very good.

1 Burns or Bairstow
2 Sibley or Bairstow
3 Crawley or Lawrence or Pope
4 Root
5 Pope or Lawrence or Crawley
6 Stokes
7 Buttler or Bairstow
8 Curran or Woakes
9 Bess or Moeen or Leach
10 Archer or Wood
11 Broad or Anderson

Wildcards - Stone, Cook (yes that Cook) Lammondby, Virdi, AN Overton & Foakes

Cook is an interesting bit of fantasy  :D

Lammonby needs more experience of FC, lots of potential but very raw and doesn't have the numbers to suggest he's anywhere near ready.

Virdi is definitely a good spin prospect, bags of talent.

Foakes should be in the team already, let alone the squad.

JOverton has heaps of pace and hits a long ball, just have to hope he's over his injury issues. COverton has added a yard of pace, lost no control and worked on his batting, much improved player since he was last in an England shirt.
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Re: England v Sri lanka
« Reply #434 on: January 24, 2021, 11:19:47 AM »

Cook isn’t going to happen but a man can dream.

Lammonby hit 3 tons last summer under pressure & averages over 50, even having to play at “ciderabad” - but you are right it’s way to soon and he’s only 20

Foakes does not get in my team although he’s a super cricketer

Jamie O it’s a surprise for me he’s not been given a go yet
Craig O probably unlucky to have so much competition for bowling slots.

The other option if we do not have traditional openers is let’s go big at the top of the order and get in some biffers - there’s a queue for that role.


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