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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2021, 12:56:10 PM »
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2021, 01:28:13 PM »
It all shows he’s obviously not a totally clever professional because he’s put himself in a position that has led to him failing a test twice. If he was just a county player I suspect he would’ve failed a 3rd test.

Jack Burnham for Durham had time out with a ‘foot injury’ then later missed a full season due to his failed test. Since transpired that ‘foot injury’ was actually him failing the test for the second time, Durham were made aware at this point and chose to not disclose it to the public, instead offering some sort of counselling and rehabilitation for Burnham. I suspect that in this sense Hales has been almost unlucky if you can call it that that he wasn’t just a county player so his absence was bigger and the news was more likely to break. He also might’ve had the more arm round the shoulder counselling approach if he was a county player.
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2021, 02:38:18 PM »
Quote from: ScottParko on January 23, 2021, 01:28:13 PM
It all shows he’s obviously not a totally clever professional because he’s put himself in a position that has led to him failing a test twice. If he was just a county player I suspect he would’ve failed a 3rd test.

Jack Burnham for Durham had time out with a ‘foot injury’ then later missed a full season due to his failed test. Since transpired that ‘foot injury’ was actually him failing the test for the second time, Durham were made aware at this point and chose to not disclose it to the public, instead offering some sort of counselling and rehabilitation for Burnham. I suspect that in this sense Hales has been almost unlucky if you can call it that that he wasn’t just a county player so his absence was bigger and the news was more likely to break. He also might’ve had the more arm round the shoulder counselling approach if he was a county player.

Totally agree with this, not excusing Hales by any means but your dead right.
I read about Burnham, he's is highly rated and had two or three chance kept low key and with support.
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2021, 03:00:52 PM »
I think the ECB's approach on the second failed test was a bit unfortunate. Yes, Hales put himself in a daft position but he wouldn't be the first high profile sportsman to struggle with substance abuse. Not sure ostracising him is the most supportive way to approach his problem with using drugs or the best option for the prospects of the England T20 side.
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #34 on: January 23, 2021, 06:29:20 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on January 23, 2021, 12:50:07 PM
He failed multiple drug tests and got dropped from the squad for breaching their trust in him. He hasn't been picked since. Not too much to it is there?

I thought it was one of the wags that had had enough of his bad-boy behavior because he was cheating on his finacee'.

I can understand if it was drug use but being dropped for cheating on his finacee' is just silly. :D
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #35 on: January 23, 2021, 06:32:17 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on January 23, 2021, 12:50:07 PM
He failed multiple drug tests and got dropped from the squad for breaching their trust in him. He hasn't been picked since. Not too much to it is there?

I knew there had been recreational drug use, obviously. I didn't know it was repeated. The fact that broken trust is so frequently spoken of suggests there had been warnings?
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #36 on: January 23, 2021, 06:36:06 PM »
Even if drugs is the reason for it, he's been out of the England team longer than Smith and Warner were banned for actual, premeditated cheating. Daft.
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #37 on: January 23, 2021, 06:44:00 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on January 23, 2021, 06:36:06 PM
Even if drugs is the reason for it, he's been out of the England team longer than Smith and Warner were banned for actual, premeditated cheating. Daft.

Not if the captain feels he can't trust him?
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #38 on: January 23, 2021, 06:47:42 PM »
He gets in the team on ability everyday of the week 

Seems a shame if he’s not in the team because his face doesn’t fit.

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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #39 on: January 23, 2021, 06:51:02 PM »
I dont think its correct to categorise continual breaking of the law as his face not fitting.

Any international sportsperson would be punished severely if they broke the law 3 times.
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #40 on: January 23, 2021, 07:05:17 PM »
Quote from: alba caerulea on January 23, 2021, 06:51:02 PM
I dont think its correct to categorise continual breaking of the law as his face not fitting.

Any international sportsperson would be punished severely if they broke the law 3 times.

As far as I am aware he’s not been in trouble with the law.
Stokes was charged with affray after THAT incident and his others issues have all been dealt with by the cricket authorities.
He is currently fully available for selection for cricket at all levels.
If he was in prison or serving a ban from sport you would indeed be correct.
Why do you think he’s not being picked?
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2021, 07:08:16 PM »
Quote from: t2ylo on January 23, 2021, 07:05:17 PM
As far as I am aware he’s not been in trouble with the law.
Stokes was charged with affray after THAT incident and his others issues have all been dealt with by the cricket authorities.
He is currently fully available for selection for cricket at all levels.
If he was in prison or serving a ban from sport you would indeed be correct.
Why do you think he’s not being picked?

Because he let down the captain who hd previously backed him through a similar incident.

I dont think he can expect any different from Morgan. This is International sport not Totteridge under 11s
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #42 on: January 23, 2021, 07:08:57 PM »
IMO the "trust" thing is nonsense. He did a few lines, he's not Pablo Escobar. It's been a couple of years now and he's not been caught taking drugs again. Let it be and get him back in the white ball squads. Know who I'd rather have of him or Vince.
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #43 on: January 23, 2021, 07:30:24 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on January 23, 2021, 07:08:57 PM
IMO the "trust" thing is nonsense. He did a few lines, he's not Pablo Escobar. It's been a couple of years now and he's not been caught taking drugs again. Let it be and get him back in the white ball squads. Know who I'd rather have of him or Vince.

ECB are obviously going to throw the book at anyone found doing any sort of drug. The class and amount is irrelevant.

As soon as hes banned he throws Morgans plans into disarray. He would probably have been in the 11 for some of the WC matches and certainly in the squad.

Morgan is hesitant to make more plans involving a guy who has a proven history of f**king things up and becoming unavailable. Thats where the trust comes into it.

I completely understand Morgans stance.

Hales will get another go when Morgan packs it in, probably after the 2nd T20 WC. Until then hes a T20 francise player
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Re: Alex Hales back in England set up?
« Reply #44 on: January 23, 2021, 07:50:36 PM »
Quote from: alba caerulea on January 23, 2021, 07:30:24 PM
ECB are obviously going to throw the book at anyone found doing any sort of drug. The class and amount is irrelevant.

As soon as hes banned he throws Morgans plans into disarray. He would probably have been in the 11 for some of the WC matches and certainly in the squad.

Morgan is hesitant to make more plans involving a guy who has a proven history of f**king things up and becoming unavailable. Thats where the trust comes into it.

I completely understand Morgans stance.

Hales will get another go when Morgan packs it in, probably after the 2nd T20 WC. Until then hes a T20 francise player

But not at someone who gets pissed and gets in a fight outside a bar? Think there's a double standard at play really.

As someone said earlier, England are cutting off their nose to spite their face. Hales is clearly worth his place in the T20 squad, he's had two years to think about his cock up, he missed out on a world cup winners medal and he's been hammering the door down with the runs he's scored in quality franchise cricket.

Morgan obviously has the full backing of the hierarchy, deservedly so, but cannot fathom the absolute exclusion of Hales based on a few daft decisions made two years ago.
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