Topic: Alex Hales back in England set up? (Read 15809 times)

t2ylo · « **Reply #45 on:** January 23, 2021, 07:53:29 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on January 23, 2021, 07:30:24 PM

ECB are obviously going to throw the book at anyone found doing any sort of drug. The class and amount is irrelevant.

As soon as hes banned he throws Morgans plans into disarray. He would probably have been in the 11 for some of the WC matches and certainly in the squad.

Morgan is hesitant to make more plans involving a guy who has a proven history of f**king things up and becoming unavailable. Thats where the trust comes into it.

I completely understand Morgans stance.

Hales will get another go when Morgan packs it in, probably after the 2nd T20 WC. Until then hes a T20 francise player

We agree completely he�s not being picked because his FACE does not FIT in to the core leadership teams plans.

I think we are in violent agreement - I just don�t think it�s the right way to treat someone

alba caerulea · « **Reply #46 on:** January 23, 2021, 08:15:37 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on January 23, 2021, 07:50:36 PM

But not at someone who gets pissed and gets in a fight outside a bar? Think there's a double standard at play really.

As someone said earlier, England are cutting off their nose to spite their face. Hales is clearly worth his place in the T20 squad, he's had two years to think about his cock up, he missed out on a world cup winners medal and he's been hammering the door down with the runs he's scored in quality franchise cricket.

Morgan obviously has the full backing of the hierarchy, deservedly so, but cannot fathom the absolute exclusion of Hales based on a few daft decisions made two years ago.

Well Stokes was banned by the ECB. The difference in how they've been treated thereafter may lie in the characters of the respective captains at the time.

Plus - i think its fair to say that Stokes has seriously bucked his ideas up since that point. If he had committed 3 similar offences in a short space of time maybe he would have been treated more harshly aswell.

I dont doubt for one moment that Hales would be a great asset to the batting line up. But in this case I understand why Morgan wont give him the time of day. If you are building a team you dont want to involve someone who might be banned when it comes to crunch time

alba caerulea · « **Reply #47 on:** January 23, 2021, 08:18:23 PM »

Quote from: t2ylo on January 23, 2021, 07:53:29 PM

We agree completely he�s not being picked because his FACE does not FIT in to the core leadership teams plans.

I think we are in violent agreement - I just don�t think it�s the right way to treat someone

I dont agree with that whatsover. He is not picked because he was a fool and let people down.

When I think of someones face not fitting it implies that they have done nothing wrong. Clearly not right in this case

And no idea what a violent agreement is

t2ylo · « **Reply #48 on:** January 23, 2021, 08:31:38 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on January 23, 2021, 08:18:23 PM

I dont agree with that whatsover. He is not picked because he was a fool and let people down.

When I think of someones face not fitting it implies that they have done nothing wrong. Clearly not right in this case

And no idea what a violent agreement is

We are violently agreeing on the same point from opposite directions & getting hung up on semantics.

The skipper has decided for non cricketing ability reasons not to pick a player.

I do not think it�s fair from my perspective. You do from yours.

It�s about opinions and mostly importantly England agree with you.

cricketbadger · « **Reply #49 on:** January 24, 2021, 11:35:46 AM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on January 23, 2021, 07:08:16 PM

Because he let down the captain who hd previously backed him through a similar incident.

I dont think he can expect any different from Morgan. This is International sport not Totteridge under 11s

Stokes knocked a bloke out on a night out but he's considered a hero

edge · « **Reply #50 on:** January 24, 2021, 11:55:50 AM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on January 23, 2021, 07:08:16 PM

Because he let down the captain who hd previously backed him through a similar incident.

This didn't happen though - pretty sure the ECB positive drug test procedure isn't 'quick, ring Morgs and see what he thinks'. Everyone, Morgan included, only found out because someone leaked it. In theory it's supposed to be kept confidential, like with the Durham lad and his 'foot injury'.

Bizarre that he's been left out permanently over it if you ask me, but then I'm not a selector. Do suspect that if we didn't have a glut of T20 openers he'd have been back in by now.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #51 on:** January 24, 2021, 12:49:24 PM »

Quote from: edge on January 24, 2021, 11:55:50 AM

This didn't happen though - pretty sure the ECB positive drug test procedure isn't 'quick, ring Morgs and see what he thinks'. Everyone, Morgan included, only found out because someone leaked it. In theory it's supposed to be kept confidential, like with the Durham lad and his 'foot injury'.

Bizarre that he's been left out permanently over it if you ask me, but then I'm not a selector. Do suspect that if we didn't have a glut of T20 openers he'd have been back in by now.

Definitely not but as captain he obviously has a large say. As World Cup winning captain I trust his opinion more than Giles, Silverwood or anyone else employed by the ECB for that matter.

I think its also worth noting that the decision was endorsed at the time by other 'senior players' - I would guess Root and Buttler. And that Morgan has been backed in the press over the decision by Vaughan, Strauss and most recently Atherton. Not that Michael Vaughans opinions are always backed by logic. I havent read anyone of note calling for his recall

FattusCattus · « **Reply #52 on:** January 24, 2021, 02:24:04 PM »

I think one of the questions to consider, as mentioned earlier in the thread, is whether Hales is bright enough to learn from his mistake, and not get in the same trouble again in the future?

Judging by his alleged social media pics, I do wonder...............

ppccopener · « **Reply #53 on:** March 11, 2021, 09:16:34 PM »

Some news today on this which predicted a while back that Hales will start a process of re integration with the team and plans to be invited to train with them.

However...Morgan pretty much flat batted any return when asked yesterday and didn't seem to offer any olive branches out.

I can't help thinking Ashley Giles having gone thru the KP saga and been firmly on his side, will have his views influenced by the Pieterson situation.

For good or bad he may use his own experience as a player to ultimately push the issue. Morgan has shown an iron will and clear thinking as well thou.

Mpt7 · « **Reply #54 on:** March 11, 2021, 10:14:24 PM »

After the Bristol affair there was clearly agreement across the side to avoid trouble at any and all costs

Hales put the England WC2019 campaign at risk. That�s the trust line he broke.

Hales has gone round the world shown he�s clearly world class - In India he�ll be against spin - left arm in particular - Hales has solved that element of the game. So he�s one of the best 6 options to bat in the top 3 imho

I disagree with the comparisons with KP. KP was a different beast in both ability and misdemeanour. Hales is daft.

Hales appears to have made personal life choice that align to a quieter life and hopefully that helps him

I�d like to see him given the opportunity. Morgan has a ruthless streak so Hales will know what is expected of him should he get his chance again.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #55 on:** March 12, 2021, 02:50:33 PM »

Quote from: Mpt7 on March 11, 2021, 10:14:24 PM

Morgan has a ruthless streak so Hales will know what is expected of him should he get his chance again.

He is a great captain and I admire him a great deal!

Hales has "done his time" and it is time to let him shine at the world stage.

I still miss watching KP - his departure was a loss for cricket fans. A damn shame really.

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #56 on:** March 12, 2021, 03:05:31 PM »

Swap out Roy for Hales and I�d be very happy.

dtl2018 · « **Reply #57 on:** March 12, 2021, 03:11:21 PM »

I can see the comparisons between KP & Hales.

Although completely different circumstances to why they have been/were left out, it does make you feel as a fan that we are potentially going to miss out on some great cricketing moments without letting Hales have another go.

Imagine if Stokes had been axed after Bristol?

On a different note- Has anyone seen KP in the legends series?! Still got it!

SurreySam · « **Reply #58 on:** March 13, 2021, 12:00:42 AM »

At this time, there is no need to upset the apple cart. By all means bring him back into the training camp, but not into games.

SD · « **Reply #59 on:** March 19, 2021, 02:06:32 AM »

If I was playing a T20 world Cup final tomorrow in India, my side would look far stronger with Hales in the top 3 instead of Malan. The progression of the white ball team has been based kn never standing still even if it can appear ruthless at times in the way people like Wiley and Plunket were dropped.

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