Topic: ENG vs IND series (Read 170142 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1335 on:** February 27, 2021, 09:39:54 AM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 27, 2021, 09:37:15 AM

He's not actually in the squad that was picked to play in the Test series, is he? I think I'd like people to know a bit more than that they bat there for their county.

Jonny Bairstow has scored loads of runs for Yorkshire at no.3. In Division One.

says more about the lack of quality in county games than anything. A Mr G.Ballance springs to mind

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #1336 on:** February 27, 2021, 09:50:06 AM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on February 27, 2021, 09:39:54 AM

says more about the lack of quality in county games than anything. A Mr G.Ballance springs to mind

Yes, Garry Ballance is a good player at county level.

Mtown Don · « **Reply #1337 on:** February 27, 2021, 09:55:27 AM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on February 27, 2021, 09:31:42 AM

Sibley - lets assess after 20 tests.. he seems to want to learn which is kudos to him but can't see him avg 40 plus (currently)
Burns - never looked like avg 40+ lets be honest
Root - one of the few who can multi format but again, he's no top order batter in red ball cricket. Multi format players (exception not rule) can play red ball, but generally in the middle order not top order (always the odd exception)
Foakes - Wk/Bat so slightly different rules apply but he's showing how vastly different it is compared to the more white ball of wk Bairstow/buttler

you only need 3-4 red ball specialists in a side.. top order bats, spinner, odd seamer.. not whole squads

Sibley, Burns, Crawley, Leach, Bess, Anderson and Broad then? Not saying that they�re all world class (and realistically averaging 40+ opening in England at the moment would put you in that bracket) but my point is that I believe the Silverwood regime is actually moving in exactly the direction that you�re clamouring for.

Edit: Sorry, I see that you�ve since edited your post to say pretty much exactly this!

Mtown Don · « **Reply #1338 on:** February 27, 2021, 10:15:26 AM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 27, 2021, 09:50:06 AM

Yes, Garry Ballance is a good player at county level.

To be fair, he wasn�t exactly a terrible player at Test level: http://m.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/232438.html

alba caerulea · « **Reply #1339 on:** February 27, 2021, 11:16:27 AM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on February 27, 2021, 08:37:50 AM

Stokes is totally different btw but

Remind me.. what did the world class Bairstow avg for 18-24 months? How's that turned out??

I dont think a single person on this forum has called Bairstow world class. You've made that up yourself so you can have an argument.

Care to answer my question about the Stokes Headingley knock?

alba caerulea · « **Reply #1340 on:** February 27, 2021, 11:39:01 AM »

Quote from: Mtown Don on February 27, 2021, 10:15:26 AM

To be fair, he wasn�t exactly a terrible player at Test level: http://m.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/232438.html

He started well but was a walking wicket as soon as teams realised where to bowl at him

ppccopener · « **Reply #1341 on:** February 27, 2021, 11:57:49 AM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on February 27, 2021, 11:39:01 AM

He started well but was a walking wicket as soon as teams realised where to bowl at him

If averages play a part in working out over say 15 or 20 test matches Ballance would probably have the next highest batting average to Joe Root..if it�s compared with the current side, or over the last 12-24 months.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #1342 on:** February 27, 2021, 12:06:11 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on February 27, 2021, 11:57:49 AM

If averages play a part in working out over say 15 or 20 test matches Ballance would probably have the next highest batting average to Joe Root..if it�s compared with the current side, or over the last 12-24 months.

Yes true but it was the slide in averages that got him dropped. As i said he did begin well but the drop off was alarming.

Fast bowlers worked out that they could bowl as full as they wanted at off stump and he had no cover or straight drive to punish them. Sooner or later you're gonna get out lbw or bowled if you let bowlers bowl that full.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #1343 on:** February 27, 2021, 12:12:07 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on February 27, 2021, 11:57:49 AM

If averages play a part in working out over say 15 or 20 test matches Ballance would probably have the next highest batting average to Joe Root..if it�s compared with the current side, or over the last 12-24 months.

Would you have him in your current XI?

Mtown Don · « **Reply #1344 on:** February 27, 2021, 12:14:43 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on February 27, 2021, 11:39:01 AM

He started well but was a walking wicket as soon as teams realised where to bowl at him

I remember it fairly well. I think my general point is that County Cricket isn�t completely failing the England team if it produces players that can perform credibly at Test player, just because it doesn�t expose them (in that case) to 90+mph swinging thunderbolts that catch them on the crease or (in this case) pitches that are extremely conducive to high quality spin. Players are always going to have to learn to meet those challenges on the job to an extent, and that is why they pluck the players they identify as having those intangibles (e.g. Crawley) out early for more tailored development.

Just trying to keep a touch of realistic expectations in the conversation!

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1345 on:** February 27, 2021, 12:19:25 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on February 27, 2021, 11:16:27 AM

I dont think a single person on this forum has called Bairstow world class. You've made that up yourself so you can have an argument.

Care to answer my question about the Stokes Headingley knock?

really good knock. however, every player pretty much has one special knock you can point to. Bairstow for example has one.. Broad... Jennings... Balance.. all have one or two knocks. You use an average for a reason.. it's an indication of a player over the long term.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #1346 on:** February 27, 2021, 12:19:48 PM »

Quote from: Mtown Don on February 27, 2021, 12:14:43 PM

I remember it fairly well. I think my general point is that County Cricket isn�t completely failing the England team if it produces players that can perform credibly at Test player, just because it doesn�t expose them (in that case) to 90+mph swinging thunderbolts that catch them on the crease or (in this case) pitches that are extremely conducive to high quality spin. Players are always going to have to learn to meet those challenges on the job to an extent, and that is why they pluck the players they identify as having those intangibles (e.g. Crawley) out early for more tailored development.

Just trying to keep a touch of realistic expectations in the conversation!

Yeah and I fully agree with you. County Cricket could be improved but its not without merit.

Test Cricket away from home is bloody hard. India are the best team in the world, in my opinion. And the pitches have been about as difficult as you are going to get.

ppccopener · « **Reply #1347 on:** February 27, 2021, 12:27:30 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on February 27, 2021, 12:12:07 PM

Would you have him in your current XI?

I think your description of him as a walking wicket is utter garbage. But It's your view and you are entitled to it.

ballance played 23 tests, 4 hundreds and 7 50's I think. And ended up after those 23 matches with an average probably, and I don't know this for sure, next best to Root if you compare it to the last couple of years-and who has played for us.

Ballance has had issues off the field and didn't play last year at all, he's not anywhere close to the England side and no one is saying he is.

What I'm saying is let's be reasonable about players, far too many of you on here label player as rubbish or walking wickets and your absolutely miles out with your opinions.

But I respect your point of view, the forum is better for reasoned arguments.

edge · « **Reply #1348 on:** February 27, 2021, 01:04:10 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 27, 2021, 09:37:15 AM

Jonny Bairstow has scored loads of runs for Yorkshire at no.3. In Division One.

Er.. he's played about three games at 3 for Yorkshire.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #1349 on:** February 27, 2021, 01:31:46 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on February 27, 2021, 12:27:30 PM

I think your description of him as a walking wicket is utter garbage. But It's your view and you are entitled to it.

ballance played 23 tests, 4 hundreds and 7 50's I think. And ended up after those 23 matches with an average probably, and I don't know this for sure, next best to Root if you compare it to the last couple of years-and who has played for us.

Ballance has had issues off the field and didn't play last year at all, he's not anywhere close to the England side and no one is saying he is.

What I'm saying is let's be reasonable about players, far too many of you on here label player as rubbish or walking wickets and your absolutely miles out with your opinions.

But I respect your point of view, the forum is better for reasoned arguments.

Wow someones in an aggressive mood today.

What I wrote about Ballance wasnt my opinion. The run of low scores is factual and can be checked via online scorecards.

The same about his mode of dismissal. Bowlers were targeting his front pad and he had no way of countering it. With that in mind he had become a walking wicket.

Dont think theres any need for your response just because I asked you a question. Which you still haven't answered

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