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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #75 on: April 15, 2021, 02:00:52 AM »
"It doesn't matter that spin bowling in this country has been completely ruined, because it wasn't really any good anyway."  :o
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« Reply #76 on: April 15, 2021, 09:21:39 AM »
How are spin bowlers supposed to excel in this country when counties produce green tops for county championship matches in order to get results? It doesn’t help spinners, and it doesn’t help fast bowlers, and that’s why you have the likes of Darren Stevens and Tim Murtagh still taking a ton of wickets despite having a combined age of 127.

At our club we’ve got a 12 year old leg spinner who puts in on the spot every time, at good pace, and turns it a mile. He’s already got a reliable googly and a top spinner, and in any other cricketing country I’d put money on him playing the equivalent of county, and probably international cricket... he’s that good. Sadly, being English I’m not as confident. The ECB treat spinners with suspicion, the pitches don’t suit them, and captains don’t trust them.
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« Reply #77 on: April 15, 2021, 09:41:40 AM »
If he's got variations and control as a leggie at 12 and is as talented as you say then there's not likely to be a shortage of white ball opportunity.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #78 on: April 15, 2021, 09:52:19 AM »


Are they genuinely trolling cricket fans here?
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2021, 10:00:09 AM »
Quote from: edge on April 15, 2021, 09:52:19 AM


Are they genuinely trolling cricket fans here?

Didn’t Sky try that a few years back with WASP?
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« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2021, 10:04:55 AM »
Yeah, not convinced that's a novel idea. Have seen variations of a 'win predictor' on cricket coverage for a good while now.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2021, 04:49:40 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on April 15, 2021, 09:41:40 AM
If he's got variations and control as a leggie at 12 and is as talented as you say then there's not likely to be a shortage of white ball opportunity.

you don't need control in white ball!! that's kinda the point about it being dumbed down!! less skill required
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« Reply #82 on: April 15, 2021, 07:13:09 PM »
Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on April 15, 2021, 04:49:40 PM
you don't need control in white ball!! that's kinda the point about it being dumbed down!! less skill required

You don't need the same control of line and length, no. But if you're bowling to a tailored plan - as is almost always true now at the top level - you still need to exhibit some degree of control. Don't try and tell me the top white ball leggies don't have any control.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #83 on: April 15, 2021, 07:30:51 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on April 15, 2021, 07:13:09 PM
You don't need the same control of line and length, no. But if you're bowling to a tailored plan - as is almost always true now at the top level - you still need to exhibit some degree of control. Don't try and tell me the top white ball leggies don't have any control.

Course they have control. Just mot ‘control’ in the red ball sense.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #84 on: April 15, 2021, 07:45:11 PM »
Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on April 15, 2021, 07:30:51 PM
Course they have control. Just mot ‘control’ in the red ball sense.

In the sense of landing it on a spot time and time again? Other than Warne, are there any other top leggies who have ever done that?

Control for a legspinner is not the same as for an offie, different disciplines with different roles. Plenty of good white ball spinners whose red ball record is perfectly good too.
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« Reply #85 on: April 15, 2021, 08:01:22 PM »
I think it was David Lloyd who said the perfect bowler in professional T20 would be a bad club leg-spinner. Yes, he was being flippant and/or tongue-in-cheek; but there is some truth in this, surely?
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« Reply #86 on: April 15, 2021, 08:19:46 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on April 15, 2021, 08:01:22 PM
I think it was David Lloyd who said the perfect bowler in professional T20 would be a bad club leg-spinner. Yes, he was being flippant and/or tongue-in-cheek; but there is some truth in this, surely?

If there was truth in it then surely you'd be hearing about the great T20 stats of leggies who bowl rubbish in comparison to the stats of Adil Rashid, Rashid Khan, Imran Tahir, etc?

You might get the odd wicket bowling filth but if the bowler has been whacked around for the preceding 17 balls then it's probably losing you more games than it wins.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #87 on: April 16, 2021, 07:07:22 AM »
Quote from: Jimbo on April 15, 2021, 08:19:46 PM
If there was truth in it then surely you'd be hearing about the great T20 stats of leggies who bowl rubbish in comparison to the stats of Adil Rashid, Rashid Khan, Imran Tahir, etc?

You might get the odd wicket bowling filth but if the bowler has been whacked around for the preceding 17 balls then it's probably losing you more games than it wins.

umm, they do get wacked in red ball
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #88 on: April 16, 2021, 07:34:06 AM »
Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on April 16, 2021, 07:07:22 AM
umm, they do get wacked in red ball

The comment wasn't about red ball so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #89 on: April 16, 2021, 09:22:13 AM »
But has a pro side ever actually tried a bad club leg-spinner in a competitive match? They wouldn't, would they? He'd be a liability in the field, offer nothing with the bat, and annoy everyone in the dressing room by constantly picking up bats and playing 'guess the weight', and complaining about the lack of cheese and pickle sanwiches and Battenburg cake.
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