Topic: What's the value of Pros in Village cricket? (Read 5580 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 18, 2021, 08:31:45 PM »

Personally I think clubs rely too much on paying players or pros and it artificially raises their club. Sadly, as with football at amateur level it�s endemic and on the rise .

Sure, In the very top league (aka the premier premier league) do it but below that.. zero benefit other than taking resources away from the club.

Sunday wise, as buzz says.. a pro should do no batting or bowling and be there to make up the numbers.. sadly, I rarely see that as they usually smash a load of runs or skittle a side when required

procricket · « **Reply #16 on:** April 18, 2021, 09:08:05 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on April 18, 2021, 08:31:45 PM

Personally I think clubs rely too much on paying players or pros and it artificially raises their club. Sadly, as with football at amateur level it�s endemic and on the rise .

Sure, In the very top league (aka the premier premier league) do it but below that.. zero benefit other than taking resources away from the club.

Sunday wise, as buzz says.. a pro should do no batting or bowling and be there to make up the numbers.. sadly, I rarely see that as they usually smash a load of runs or skittle a side when required

Up North Pro are standard in senior leagues and are designated and in some cases bring lots of money into the club because more people watch club cricket in some leagues than turn up to county games.

Now I have only played in the WEPL and SEPL down south and cricket was not a spectator sport it is in some Northern Leagues big time.

All year round international cricket has changed the standard but most Pro bring something to the table and clubs in some leagues have to have one or they employ a good English player.

Funny down south I found instead of pro you had designated county players who come and play when not involved.

The Northern Leagues I have played with did have limits to overseas pro in the fact they had to have played so many first class matches over a period of time ..

End of the day I agree you only get a cup... 10-15k is the going rate for a player with first class experience....

AaronW95 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 18, 2021, 09:47:04 PM »

A few know me on here from other paid player threads and that I stick up for it....

I play ecb prem cricket, played this level for a number of years and for a number of clubs the team I am at pay 1-11 in the first team with a Sri Lankan coming over (currently in quarantine) almost every team in our prem league does the same, loads of pros dotted about and a lot of county second 11 players plus minor county lads.

Our league is very strong, played against an overseas on Saturday who has scored 3 first class triple century�s! And the week before got my front pad blown off by a Pakistani international bowler!

Up north in premier leagues it is very common for teams of paid players and pros dotted about as I have said...a team in Huddersfield are rumoured to spend upwards of 50k on players and was rumoured to be paying Alex Lee�s �1k a game the other season!

blindowl · « **Reply #18 on:** April 18, 2021, 11:18:47 PM »

If you are ever down in cambridge and want a game Aaron we would find a space for you. We can only pay in sausage rolls and beer though

AaronW95 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 18, 2021, 11:31:49 PM »

Quote from: blindowl on April 18, 2021, 11:18:47 PM

If you are ever down in cambridge and want a game Aaron we would find a space for you. We can only pay in sausage rolls and beer though

The best type of payment! Hopefully the sausage rolls are hot and the beer strong 😂 have a good season mate!

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #20 on:** April 19, 2021, 07:32:04 AM »

Quote from: AaronW95 on April 18, 2021, 09:47:04 PM

rumoured to be paying Alex Lee�s �1k a game the other season!

When he couldn't get a game for Yorkshire in the supposedly low-quality County Championship!

Real Munson · « **Reply #21 on:** April 19, 2021, 09:18:34 AM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on April 18, 2021, 04:05:37 PM

Used to see this many years ago now when I lived I kent and played league cricket on a Saturday and then turned out most weekends for the club I started at that played friendly Sunday cricket and we used to play against sides that at the time were in the kent prem on a Sat and I can honestly some were great and others just awful.

By great I mean the pro would bat 11 and that was it and would be a help to the younger players occasionally on bit sides and try and help and oversaw a friendly Sunday game. Others would open the batting and score 100 quickly and retire or just bat through for 150, 200 even a few 250+ from memory and then also bowl a full allocation.

Don�t remember people being to bothered at you just knew which teams would do what

Soulman, you may have or may not have noticed that a club from the isle of sheppey have rocketed up through the leagues in Kent - they will claim that they don't/didn't pay Fabian Cowdrey, Sean Irvine now Dave Masters, his brother, a former Kent staff player, one of the best Premier league all rounders over the last 10 years plus an overseas - but I very much doubt they are choosing to play there because it's a lovely ground....

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #22 on:** April 19, 2021, 09:56:49 AM »

Quote from: procricket on April 18, 2021, 09:08:05 PM

Up North Pro are standard in senior leagues and are designated and in some cases bring lots of money into the club because more people watch club cricket in some leagues than turn up to county games.

Now I have only played in the WEPL and SEPL down south and cricket was not a spectator sport it is in some Northern Leagues big time.

All year round international cricket has changed the standard but most Pro bring something to the table and clubs in some leagues have to have one or they employ a good English player.

Funny down south I found instead of pro you had designated county players who come and play when not involved.

The Northern Leagues I have played with did have limits to overseas pro in the fact they had to have played so many first class matches over a period of time ..

End of the day I agree you only get a cup... 10-15k is the going rate for a player with first class experience....

mate, WEPL is dire standard really. I've only played a few teams from Up't North for MCC and the standard is soooooo different. Northant's Prem for example would blow WEPL prem 1 teams out the water

I am 5050 on pro's though. A genuine Pro who is just there to help the club is one thing and a GOOD thing. A Pro who is there to dominate games and win leagues on his own (or save a team from relegation) is for me anyway, the issue. If your club can't survive at the level without paying then the club IS playing above it's level and players are being carried. That isn't helping anyone other than the Paid players

Richerd · « **Reply #23 on:** April 19, 2021, 10:02:05 AM »

Like many things if done well and with the right intentions the benefits can be worthwhile. I've experienced first hand the opposite, which led my club to being a laughing stock, throwing money away which could have greatly helped where we needed it, and only inflating our position temporarily. Hindsight is always wonderful, I wish i had the ability to ask this question when i started!

AaronW95 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 19, 2021, 10:18:44 AM »

Quote from: Real Munson on April 19, 2021, 09:18:34 AM

Soulman, you may have or may not have noticed that a club from the isle of sheppey have rocketed up through the leagues in Kent - they will claim that they don't/didn't pay Fabian Cowdrey, Sean Irvine now Dave Masters, his brother, a former Kent staff player, one of the best Premier league all rounders over the last 10 years plus an overseas - but I very much doubt they are choosing to play there because it's a lovely ground....

Was talking to someone sunday watching our sunday team, their teams now paying many players. Despite having 3 MCCU lads, two lads who have very good county stats and also got Michael Atherton's son playing for them!

Sounds like they aren't spending a lot doesn't it haha

Jimbo · « **Reply #25 on:** April 19, 2021, 10:43:00 AM »

Just can't see how that kind of spending can be sustainable without outside funding. And if outside funding is involved, what's the contingency plan when that backing is removed? More than one club up in Scotland has fallen to bits when the 'alleged' money dried up.

Real Munson · « **Reply #26 on:** April 19, 2021, 11:13:39 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on April 19, 2021, 10:43:00 AM

Just can't see how that kind of spending can be sustainable without outside funding. And if outside funding is involved, what's the contingency plan when that backing is removed? More than one club up in Scotland has fallen to bits when the 'alleged' money dried up.

Another Kent club made their first appearance in the Kent Prem in 2008, went on to win 5 Prem titles, got relegated 2017, promoted back first attempt then majority of players left for varying reasons (apparently) and the club asked to be demoted and were put in Div 5. They always claimed not to pay, not sure many believed them. Thankfully the club is still going.

My club has an overseas, always does. Back in the day they were employed as assistant groundsman, played midweek and Sundays - so we got a lot from them and the overseas enjoyed (for the most part) playing lots of cricket, playing with people outside of the 1st team and really got involved in the club.

Unless those being paid are giving something back - i.e. coaching, i just don't see the point in spending �000's on players for club cricket - the club doesn't win money for winning the league.

Jimbo · « **Reply #27 on:** April 19, 2021, 11:31:37 AM »

Think that's a sensible model. Essentially the overseas is paid to be a first team player who is available every Saturday, to help facilitate Sunday games where kids or less experienced players can get game time, to help with the grounds every week and to coach every week.

Yes, volunteers and paying members do some of those tasks but with a paid overseas it does have the benefit that they are required, not asked, to be there to do these things week in, week out for the full season.

LockieEP · « **Reply #28 on:** April 19, 2021, 01:13:12 PM »

We had a great experience of an overseas player at our club a few years back;

Ran up a huge bar tab at local pub
Ran up huge phone bill calling Australia overnight whilst staying at Captain's house
Rumored to have become too "friendly" with some female members of the village
Got "injured" after the first game when he bowled badly
Abandoned an old car as he left to go back to Australia

Never tried one since

Jimbo · « **Reply #29 on:** April 19, 2021, 01:15:00 PM »

Sounds worth his weight in stories though 😂

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