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rickjames

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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #120 on: June 06, 2021, 02:48:33 PM »

That is village from Crawley
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #121 on: June 06, 2021, 02:50:01 PM »

That is village from Crawley

I was just about to type that!
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« Reply #122 on: June 06, 2021, 02:59:27 PM »

When did it start being part of the middle order?  I've always thought 1-3 or perhaps 1-4 is the top order, then 4 or 5 to 8 is the middle order.

https://www.lexico.com/definition/middle_order
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #124 on: June 06, 2021, 03:11:33 PM »

Crawley is average. His red ball stats indicate as much. He scored 39% of his test runs in one innings. Time to end experiment.
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #125 on: June 06, 2021, 04:50:30 PM »

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batting_order_(cricket)

I was only suggesting that no.3 used to be (and still is by some) considered part of the middle-order.

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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #126 on: June 06, 2021, 04:52:37 PM »

Crawley is average. His red ball stats indicate as much. He scored 39% of his test runs in one innings. Time to end experiment.

Wasn't Crawley picked because stats don't prove anything?
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #127 on: June 06, 2021, 05:38:51 PM »

Have England got this approach right? Or do we have a line up currently still settling down and not capable of making more of an effort?

Yes we are missing Stokes and maybe Butler but Williamson nevertheless has shown only New Zealand are willing to gamble for a possible test win..
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« Reply #128 on: June 06, 2021, 07:16:02 PM »

Have England got this approach right? Or do we have a line up currently still settling down and not capable of making more of an effort?

Yes we are missing Stokes and maybe Butler but Williamson nevertheless has shown only New Zealand are willing to gamble for a possible test win..

Think Kane judged it very well - he left a total that this England team would have had to bat out of their skins to reach, with a brilliant Root ton the only hope.  With three of the top order on a pair, and arguably Burns the only one other than the captain now secure in his spot, it was never going to happen - there wasn't the option that you so often see in successful chases of a Stokes, Buttler or Bairstow jumping up the order on a whim and figuring you'd decide what the plan was once they'd batted. 
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« Reply #129 on: June 06, 2021, 07:31:54 PM »

Disappointingly negative from England after an excellent declaration by Williamson.  This has the feel of an England side that lacks courage with the first objective being looking to avoid defeat rather than looking to win
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #130 on: June 06, 2021, 08:21:46 PM »

Can't believe the criticism some have given them for not chasing it a bit harder, their bowling during that afternoon session was more often than not bang on the money, particularly Jamieson who bowled something like 6 maidens on the trot. Wasn't an easy pitch to score freely on, even if it was essentially a 4 day pitch. We've been crying for a pair of openers in Burns and Sibley for far too long and they've both shown us what they're capable of doing, but asking to set up a chase near 300? Nahhhh
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #131 on: June 06, 2021, 08:33:52 PM »

Ollie Robinson suspended.
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #132 on: June 06, 2021, 08:35:29 PM »

Williamson’s declaration was probably because England where missing Stokes and Buttler. We had a pretty flakey middle order here. I suspect had the two big guns been playing NZ probably wouldn’t have declared.
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #133 on: June 06, 2021, 08:42:36 PM »

If Robinson if replaced by Overton, which I think he will be, they will be replacing someone for posting stupid and offensive language on Twitter 9 years ago who has public ally apologised and regretted his actions, with a player guilty of racist abuse as a fully fledged adult who to this day denies what he said despite their being neutral witnesses(the umpire).

I'm not sure that makes any sense. If fact it doesn't.

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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #134 on: June 06, 2021, 08:54:14 PM »

Disgusting decision from the ECB. I am disgusted.
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